To : ALIEN@WW
Having read the scientific report on the meteorite AH84001 (it came
as SETI.ZIP in the UK), and there was NO mention of the the meteorite
definitely coming from Mars, just that they felt that it was likely.
4.5 Billion years was the estimated age of the subject, and this would
tie up with the dates given for Earth and its own formation and lifeforms
guestamates.

It would not come as a shock to learn that the meteorite found was indeed
of Earth origin, and that it may well have been gouged out due to an old
impact so many millennia ago, and been in Earth orbit since that time?
You will notice that I have used the "?" where as the `cock-sure` boffins
in the good old US of America have not!
I will tell you what gets up my nose... There are 52 million starving and
under privileged yanks out there, and they could do with some investment
to help fund some work and decent health service for them... And that chap
who sits in his Oval office wants to spend Trillions looking for Aliens!!
Now, I know things here aint too healthy just now, but at least we hide our
madness in a cloud of drunken stupidity, and most of this is concentrated
in a one square mile of London (Westminster?) town!
I'll tell you what... If I were an alien life form, and I came across a
space craft with USA and a flag with the stars and stripes painted on the
side, I would send it back with NOT KNOWN AT THIS ADDRESS stuck on the
side. And pretend we were not here!! No sireeee, I would not want to get
contaminated with that sort of culture! They might want exploit us!!
Have a nice day, and I mean that sincerely folks!
 
To : ALIEN@WW
Greetings one and all.
It was with glee to here news of a find that has
gripped the imagination of so many this last week. But I have to say that
the UFO/ALIEN lobby have come out of their holes again, with the shout of
"ALIENS, WE TOLD YOU SO!" Nothing of the sort. All that has happend, is tha
that some Americans have decided to release a buletin claiming that they
have dicovered what they think maybe a fossil. So, calm down and THINK a
while on what has been said so far. Organic compounds have, they claim been
found in a meteorite. Remember their own wording: These compounds that have
been found are not just formed organically. But what they have is a darned
good indication, but NOT PROOF of any thing just yet.
I seem to recall Piltdown-man, and one or two other Red Herrings that have
come our way over these last hundred years or so, but to jump un-thinkingly
to conclusions is not only silly, but frustrating too.
These scientist do NOT KNOW what they have just yet, and it maybe an error
on their part. Cold fusion was another con for the gullable to praise the
press for!

Question.....
(1) How can they be THAT CERTAIN it "IS" from Mars?
(2) I would like to see the orbit data that brings this object to our
neck of the woods.
(3) Their dates are certainly bluntley certain; and this prompts the
question as to how they arrived at these dates, and why no such
explination has come with these dates as to just how they arrived
at them.
(4) I am not certain as to just how such a compound would survive the
temperatures of being covered in vulcanic lava? This is not to
suggest that it is impossible, just that I do not understand how the
process would not interfer with any evidence that would lead the teams
to come to the conclusion the object they have infront of them has
a: been contaminated..
b: interfered with by a third party..
c: that this is indeed another American contrick?.......
(5) Many of you will not remember the last time, when after a Mars
landing, a scoop of Marsion soil was scooped up, and the cry went out
that they had found life on Mars!
No, I am not convinced as yet that any such evidence has enough credence
to say that Yes, there was indeed life on Mars.

I challenge those involved to send me the data they have, to me at the
packet address below, so that I may judge for my self as to just what they
have uncoverd so far. I say this because I have only the lying press for
reports of what they say to us, the gullable public. It is my esteemed
knowledge of the past history of the press, that they will lie, cheat, and
generally mug the gullable public into believing any rubbish they turn out
in order to sell newspapers. Television too is guilty of clouding the
truth, and the reporting quality (especially of the American television
reporter's) just beggers belive!! CNN, though quick with the news, seems
to have hired reporters who have very little in the way of geographical
common sense, and have not the slightest idea as to the background of the
source they are reporting on! Crazy!!!! At least the BBC has a team of
reporters that Know what country they are in!! I digress.......
To those genuine reporters, (thats those who bust size had nothing to to
with gaining the job, or their teeth whitening compound advertising
sponsorship) this is not aimed at you, but those in brackets and those who
feel that riding the bandwaggon of easy cash through easy STORY telling
is they way to brainwash the general public and to keep them in a cosey
job.

As for the rest, I do not tar you with the same brush.
Thank you for your time an reading this message, and it was sent with all
due regard and respect to those whose time and effort went into compiling
the original reports on this subject. As for the rest..............
 
To : ALIEN@WW
Ok so we have seen the discussion go back and forth between the believers
and non believers. Lets assume that they dont exist, how do we explain AL=
L
of it? Most UFO sightings can be explained as aircraft, hoaxes,wx baloons=
,
experimental craft or weapons of some sort. I say MOST as there are still
a lot of sightings that cannot be explained, one that comes to mind are
those seen by airline pilots and tracked on radar of something moving at
incredible speeds.
When we hear of so called alien abductions there are many similarities
between the reports, some say this is because they repeat stories they
have already heard, even if they took no notice at the time the story is
stored in their unconcious mind and can surface later. Why is it that man=
y
people who claim to have been abducted suffer nose bleeds afterwards??
Believers would say that they have had implants fitted. What say you?
Why would thousands of people tell such a story and hold themselves up to
ridicule. Are they all cranks, or do they just seek attention?? Or is
there something of a non alien nature going on that we dont know about.
I tend to keep an open mind to most things, and try not to use the word
impossible too much. An open mind with a good sense of humour goes a long
way..especially on this mode. If you watch Sky tv you could be forgiven
for thinking that we are already living with aliens in our midst, or we i=
n
their midst. It seems to be a real good money spinner these days, I tend
to agree with Tony G6YPK on that one.
So come on guys..I can explain away the easy ones...what can you do about
the difficult ones?? Its easy to say no thats not so...but putting forwar=
d
a good explanation is not so easy...lets hear them........
73 - Frank, G1OFA @ GB7ZPU
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To : ALIENS@WW
VK2BOB/TPK 1.82 Msg #:21 Date:20-08-96 Time:11:46Z
G'Day all at WW, especiall those Aliens amoungst us,
Maybe Eienstein is wrong! Perhaps E=MC2 is incorrect!
But i feel like having fun, so I'll continue. Logic would dictate that any
UFO's do not originate from the Sun. (it's too hot to support life) Neither
do they come from Mercury or Venus. Earth? Well if they come from here they
cant be too hard to identify, can they? Mars? Yep! If multi-million year
old bactiria can design and build a Space-craft it is possible they come
from there.
The Asteroid Belt? Cool place to visit, But!
Jupiter? Electromagmetic fields and gravitational forces. Wow!
Saturn Uranus and Pluto (Planet X) These four are so cool.
So UFO's must come from another solar system?
E=MC2
So let us presume that these UFO's have been designed and builted (sic) by
a race that can travel at the speed of light.
The closest star (other than the Sun) to us is the Proxima and Alpha
Centauri Binarary. 4.3 light years away, or more. So our friends guess
there might be life on the 3rd rock. So they chuck some dumbos into
their craft, accelerate it to 300,000.000 Meters per Sec. and head to earth
Opps! Sorry dumbos! As you had mass (M) and the speed of light remained
constant (C) Then as you hit the speed of light your mass became infinite!
But you still existed!
OK you sent Probes down first! Where are they?
OK you can hide your ships from radar some times.
IF you can do all this WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT PROBES UP THE NOSES OF THE
CITIZENS OF THE U.S.A. ( especially those driving allong desert roads)
DISCLAIMER!! this was not my idea! A guy with pointy ears, ( he claimed his
name is SPOCK ) just landed in my back-yard and told me to type this)
73 Bob, vk2bob@vk2czr
To : ALIEN@WW
Hi everyone,
I see that there are only about three people who use ALIEN@WW, but I would
like to chip-in my twopenneth. I have been reading the messages to ALIEN
with interest and I have got a few comments to make, but first of all let
me put asside my own personal views and concentrate on some facts.
With the exception of Jesus, Moses, and other "purveyors of magic", all the
worlds most "knowledgable" men (and women) have denied the possibility of
intellegent life other than human life. These men (and women) have told
to the world the meaning of life long before Monty Python and his merry men
came on the scene. Documents setting out the facts date back to the the
early days of Zorroastrianism(*1); some 4500 years ago. Today we can refer
the Christian(*2) Holy Bible and other books such as Islam's(*3) Kuran.
Today we have very qualified and highly paid scientists who tell us that
the universe is a very inhospitable place that cannot possible support any
intelligent life in any form what-so-ever. Some scientists tell us that the
possibility of life "up there" is about equal to 1/infinity. If there are
indeed "intelegent" beings on other planets then there would also be other
phenomenon to supplement much of the "evidence" that is so often quoted.
For example: Mortal intelligent beings would have to procreate / expire in
order to evolve. Without evolution there could be no improvement or indeed
intelligence. If these beings are dying in their millions, as we are, then
there would also be clairevoyant sightings. If we are not unique, then why
should we have a monopoly on the after-life ??
People are being abducted every day. There are millions of people who are
abducted for a complete multitude of reasons. People (both male and female)
are abducted and used as sex toys. Many people are abducted and are then
released, only to find that they have internal organs missing. Many are
kidnapped "just for the hell of it", to teach lessons, revenge, prejudice,
jokes, anger, money, power, or just to satisfy a need to dominate. The list
is endless. All these millions of abductees must have different stories to
tell. With so many stories to tell you will no-doubt see some "weirdies"
mixed in with them. There will be be the odd few saying that they have been
abducted by aliens, but there may also be those abducted by pigmies wearing
Ronald Regan masks, incredible hulks, policemen, doctors, naked witches,
nymphomaniac schoolgirls, hippies, etc. Perhaps it would be a little too
much to believe only those stories that contain the word ALIEN. Yes there
will indeed be many similarities such as nose-bleeds. I believe that the
statistics will prove that more than 50% of abductees suffering violence
will have nose-bleeds or bleeding from some part of their body. Also, large
numbers of them may even subsequently give birth or father offspring.
So, after reading these texts to ALIEN@WW and considering the many educated
scientific and religious dignitories it may be a little hard to accept the
word of a few radio amateurs who say that there MUST be life out there.
SORRY CHAPS, BUT YOU ARE MERGGA-FANTASTICALLY OUT-NUMBERED.
If we accept that there HAS TO BE intelligent life out there because er! -
um!, there HAS to be, then this in itself presents an interesting case. Do
they have financially based trade and income taxation?
If they have a society based upon trade and finance, then would it be worth
the effort and expenditure to bother to contact other backward beings (such
as ourselves)? We are so backward as to be incapable of meeting them half
way or even simply contacting them. If contact were possible then they may
be loosers. If the societies were to become mixed (in a similar manner to
the EU) then our low level of taxation would also have to increase to their
level, and I personaly have no desire to support huge fleets of inter-
galactic cruisers on my salary. We could easily have a taxation rate in
excess of +3E35 % and an inflation rate of +1.5E34 % although unemployment
benefits would make multi-millionairs daily.
Best regards
HARRY, Upplands Vasby, Sweden.
(*1) A religion based upon a saviour, a son of God who's earthly father was
a carpenter. He was nailed to a tree for saying how nice it would be
if people were nice to each other. Predates Christianity by over 2000
years.
(*2) A religion based upon a saviour, a son of God who's earthly father was
a carpenter. He was nailed to a tree for saying how nice it would be
if people were nice to each other. Predates Islam by about 600 years.
(*3) A religion based upon a saviour, a son of God who's earthly father was
NOT a carpenter. He was illiterate but this didn't stop him writing
a very lonnnnnnggggg book, the contents of which coincidentally bear a
remarkable similarity to the Bible, passed on by word of mouth.
 
To : ALIEN@WW
Hi all,
In common with Dave and alan, I also like to keep an open mind on the subject
of there being intelegent life "up there".
Daily I watch the news and hear what is happening upon our little Earth, I see
and hear stories which are almost all about people kicking the shit out of
other people. If life on Earth evolved from some "seed", as suggested by
Frank, then could it be that "them up there" are kicking the shit out of each
other too? If that's the case then there cannot be "intelegent" life up there
in just the same way as there isn't any down here!!
Hi all, Sorry to dissagree Bob, but E=MCý is totally irrelevant and cannot
work unless you are religious. Let me present my argument:
One of the greatest "astro" scientists of our time is Assac Asimov. It is a
pity that he will be listed in the anals of fame as a writer of scientific
fiction. When asked "how big is the universe" he replied "what is a
universe??".
A universe is defined as the most distant point that exists TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
Two thousand years ago, any one person's universe was only a few miles
accross, but today (with the advent of a vaiety of telescopes) the universe is
a collossal figure I cannet remember at this point in time. But (they tell us)
our universe is expanding. So the next solar system is moving away from us,
and quite fast too (by terrestrial terms). The next solar system is moving
away from our neighbour, so it must be moving away from us even faster.
With not quite an infinite number of solar systems distant there must be yet
another, further, distant solar system that is moving away from us at the
speed of light, which is why we cannot see anything beyond this limit.
Ok then, where does E=MCý leave us. If all the christian (moslim, budhist
etc.) dogma is allowed to prevail and we are in the center of the universe,
then we must be stationary and those distant objects at our "universal
horizon" must possess infinate mass. Scientifically this is impossible, as
stated by Bob (VK2CZR).
Ok then, priests are wrong, we are not at the center of the universe, but lie
on the edge, then we all possess infinite mass!!
Travelling at the speed of light must be possible because there is no
reference to which one can relate "0 m.p.h." (0 Km/s) [zero furlongs/month]
etc. As light leaves "the aliens" planet he accelerates, but by the time he
hets to the next solar system he could be sub-light w.r.t. his present
location, but somewhat MORE than light w.r.t. his home planet.
How do you explain this paradox Bob?? The only explanation i
s no-one out there because if there were
sufficiently advanced enough to develop intergalactic travel then they would
have had some lovely wars and wiped themselves out. If not, they can only be
in a different form that is incompattible with use and therefore it does not
matter if they exist or not.
Regards HARRY, Upplands Vasby (with 2 pricks over the A in vAsby)
PS. I have got a 220volt "Universal Adapter". Does anybody know which planets
I may be able to use it on, besides the earth?
======
======
Hi All, any replies to Great Britain UFO Newsletter please send to
GB7XJZ.#48.gbr.eu . I have had to change because my other BBS has had to close
down for a while.
73's Phil 2e1dtd UFO Newsletter next out on Sunday 6th October 96...
 
 
 
 
To : ALIEN
Having read the scientific report on the meteorite AH84001 (it came
as SETI.ZIP in the UK), and there was NO mention of the the meteorite
definitely coming from Mars, just that they felt that it was likely.
4.5 Billion years was the estimated age of the subject, and this would
tie up with the dates given for Earth and its own formation and lifeforms
guestamates.

It would not come as a shock to learn that the meteorite found was indeed
of Earth origin, and that it may well have been gouged out due to an old
impact so many millennia ago, and been in Earth orbit since that time?
You will notice that I have used the "?" where as the `cock-sure` boffins
in the good old US of America have not!
I will tell you what gets up my nose... There are 52 million starving and
under privileged yanks out there, and they could do with some investment
to help fund some work and decent health service for them... And that chap
who sits in his Oval office wants to spend Trillions looking for Aliens!!
Now, I know things here aint too healthy just now, but at least we hide our
madness in a cloud of drunken stupidity, and most of this is concentrated
in a one square mile of London (Westminster?) town!
I'll tell you what... If I were an alien life form, and I came across a
space craft with USA and a flag with the stars and stripes painted on the
side, I would send it back with NOT KNOWN AT THIS ADDRESS stuck on the
side. And pretend we were not here!! No sireeee, I would not want to get
contaminated with that sort of culture! They might want exploit us!!
Have a nice day, and I mean that sincerely folks!
ÄÄÄÄ[Lettura Msg n: 52031]ÄÄÄÄÄÄ[Titolo : SOME THING FOUND MEANS NOWT ]ÄÄÄÄ
Greetings one and all.
It was with glee to here news of a find that has
gripped the imagination of so many this last week. But I have to say that
the UFO/ALIEN lobby have come out of their holes again, with the shout of
"ALIENS, WE TOLD YOU SO!" Nothing of the sort. All that has happend, is tha
that some Americans have decided to release a buletin claiming that they
have dicovered what they think maybe a fossil. So, calm down and THINK a
while on what has been said so far. Organic compounds have, they claim been
found in a meteorite. Remember their own wording: These compounds that have
been found are not just formed organically. But what they have is a darned
good indication, but NOT PROOF of any thing just yet.
I seem to recall Piltdown-man, and one or two other Red Herrings that have
come our way over these last hundred years or so, but to jump un-thinkingly
to conclusions is not only silly, but frustrating too.
These scientist do NOT KNOW what they have just yet, and it maybe an error
on their part. Cold fusion was another con for the gullable to praise the
press for!

Question.....
(1) How can they be THAT CERTAIN it "IS" from Mars?
(2) I would like to see the orbit data that brings this object to our
neck of the woods.
(3) Their dates are certainly bluntley certain; and this prompts the
question as to how they arrived at these dates, and why no such
explination has come with these dates as to just how they arrived
at them.
(4) I am not certain as to just how such a compound would survive the
temperatures of being covered in vulcanic lava? This is not to
suggest that it is impossible, just that I do not understand how the
process would not interfer with any evidence that would lead the teams
to come to the conclusion the object they have infront of them has
a: been contaminated..
b: interfered with by a third party..
c: that this is indeed another American contrick?.......
(5) Many of you will not remember the last time, when after a Mars
landing, a scoop of Marsion soil was scooped up, and the cry went out
that they had found life on Mars!
No, I am not convinced as yet that any such evidence has enough credence
to say that Yes, there was indeed life on Mars.

I challenge those involved to send me the data they have, to me at the
packet address below, so that I may judge for my self as to just what they
have uncoverd so far. I say this because I have only the lying press for
reports of what they say to us, the gullable public. It is my esteemed
knowledge of the past history of the press, that they will lie, cheat, and
generally mug the gullable public into believing any rubbish they turn out
in order to sell newspapers. Television too is guilty of clouding the
truth, and the reporting quality (especially of the American television
reporter's) just beggers belive!! CNN, though quick with the news, seems
to have hired reporters who have very little in the way of geographical
common sense, and have not the slightest idea as to the background of the
source they are reporting on! Crazy!!!! At least the BBC has a team of
reporters that Know what country they are in!! I digress.......
To those genuine reporters, (thats those who bust size had nothing to to
with gaining the job, or their teeth whitening compound advertising
sponsorship) this is not aimed at you, but those in brackets and those who
feel that riding the bandwaggon of easy cash through easy STORY telling
is they way to brainwash the general public and to keep them in a cosey
job.

As for the rest, I do not tar you with the same brush.
Thank you for your time an reading this message, and it was sent with all
due regard and respect to those whose time and effort went into compiling
the original reports on this subject. As for the rest..............
==========
Ok so we have seen the discussion go back and forth between the believers
and non believers. Lets assume that they dont exist, how do we explain ALL
of it? Most UFO sightings can be explained as aircraft, hoaxes,wx baloons,
experimental craft or weapons of some sort. I say MOST as there are still
a lot of sightings that cannot be explained, one that comes to mind are
those seen by airline pilots and tracked on radar of something moving at
incredible speeds.
When we hear of so called alien abductions there are many similarities
between the reports, some say this is because they repeat stories they
have already heard, even if they took no notice at the time the story is
stored in their unconcious mind and can surface later. Why is it that many
people who claim to have been abducted suffer nose bleeds afterwards??
Believers would say that they have had implants fitted. What say you?
Why would thousands of people tell such a story and hold themselves up to
ridicule. Are they all cranks, or do they just seek attention?? Or is
there something of a non alien nature going on that we dont know about.
I tend to keep an open mind to most things, and try not to use the word
impossible too much. An open mind with a good sense of humour goes a long
way..especially on this mode. If you watch Sky tv you could be forgiven
for thinking that we are already living with aliens in our midst, or we in
their midst. It seems to be a real good money spinner these days, I tend
to agree with Tony G6YPK on that one.
So come on guys..I can explain away the easy ones...what can you do about
the difficult ones?? Its easy to say no thats not so...but putting forward
a good explanation is not so easy...lets hear them........
73 - Frank, G1OFA @ GB7ZPU
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=======
From: ...
G'Day all at WW, especiall those Aliens amoungst us,
Maybe Eienstein is wrong! Perhaps E=MC2 is incorrect!
But i feel like having fun, so I'll continue. Logic would dictate that any
UFO's do not originate from the Sun. (it's too hot to support life) Neither
do they come from Mercury or Venus. Earth? Well if they come from here they
cant be too hard to identify, can they? Mars? Yep! If multi-million year
old bactiria can design and build a Space-craft it is possible they come
from there.
The Asteroid Belt? Cool place to visit, But!
Jupiter? Electromagmetic fields and gravitational forces. Wow!
Saturn Uranus and Pluto (Planet X) These four are so cool.
So UFO's must come from another solar system?
E=MC2
So let us presume that these UFO's have been designed and builted (sic) by
a race that can travel at the speed of light.
The closest star (other than the Sun) to us is the Proxima and Alpha
Centauri Binarary. 4.3 light years away, or more. So our friends guess
there might be life on the 3rd rock. So they chuck some dumbos into
their craft, accelerate it to 300,000.000 Meters per Sec. and head to earth
Opps! Sorry dumbos! As you had mass (M) and the speed of light remained
constant (C) Then as you hit the speed of light your mass became infinite!
But you still existed!
OK you sent Probes down first! Where are they?
OK you can hide your ships from radar some times.
IF you can do all this WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT PROBES UP THE NOSES OF THE
CITIZENS OF THE U.S.A. ( especially those driving allong desert roads)
DISCLAIMER!! this was not my idea! A guy with pointy ears, ( he claimed his
name is SPOCK ) just landed in my back-yard and told me to type this)
73 Bob, vk2bob@vk2czr
========
From: ...
To : ALIEN@WW
 
Hi everyone,
I see that there are only about three people who use ALIEN@WW, but I would
like to chip-in my twopenneth. I have been reading the messages to ALIEN
with interest and I have got a few comments to make, but first of all let
me put asside my own personal views and concentrate on some facts.
With the exception of Jesus, Moses, and other "purveyors of magic", all the
worlds most "knowledgable" men (and women) have denied the possibility of
intellegent life other than human life. These men (and women) have told
to the world the meaning of life long before Monty Python and his merry men
came on the scene. Documents setting out the facts date back to the the
early days of Zorroastrianism(*1); some 4500 years ago. Today we can refer
the Christian(*2) Holy Bible and other books such as Islam's(*3) Kuran.
Today we have very qualified and highly paid scientists who tell us that
the universe is a very inhospitable place that cannot possible support any
intelligent life in any form what-so-ever. Some scientists tell us that the
possibility of life "up there" is about equal to 1/infinity. If there are
indeed "intelegent" beings on other planets then there would also be other
phenomenon to supplement much of the "evidence" that is so often quoted.
For example: Mortal intelligent beings would have to procreate / expire in
order to evolve. Without evolution there could be no improvement or indeed
intelligence. If these beings are dying in their millions, as we are, then
there would also be clairevoyant sightings. If we are not unique, then why
should we have a monopoly on the after-life ??
People are being abducted every day. There are millions of people who are
abducted for a complete multitude of reasons. People (both male and female)
are abducted and used as sex toys. Many people are abducted and are then
released, only to find that they have internal organs missing. Many are
kidnapped "just for the hell of it", to teach lessons, revenge, prejudice,
jokes, anger, money, power, or just to satisfy a need to dominate. The list
is endless. All these millions of abductees must have different stories to
tell. With so many stories to tell you will no-doubt see some "weirdies"
mixed in with them. There will be be the odd few saying that they have been
abducted by aliens, but there may also be those abducted by pigmies wearing
Ronald Regan masks, incredible hulks, policemen, doctors, naked witches,
nymphomaniac schoolgirls, hippies, etc. Perhaps it would be a little too
much to believe only those stories that contain the word ALIEN. Yes there
will indeed be many similarities such as nose-bleeds. I believe that the
statistics will prove that more than 50% of abductees suffering violence
will have nose-bleeds or bleeding from some part of their body. Also, large
numbers of them may even subsequently give birth or father offspring.
So, after reading these texts to ALIEN@WW and considering the many educated
scientific and religious dignitories it may be a little hard to accept the
word of a few radio amateurs who say that there MUST be life out there.
SORRY CHAPS, BUT YOU ARE MERGGA-FANTASTICALLY OUT-NUMBERED.
If we accept that there HAS TO BE intelligent life out there because er! -
um!, there HAS to be, then this in itself presents an interesting case. Do
they have financially based trade and income taxation?
If they have a society based upon trade and finance, then would it be worth
the effort and expenditure to bother to contact other backward beings (such
as ourselves)? We are so backward as to be incapable of meeting them half
way or even simply contacting them. If contact were possible then they may
be loosers. If the societies were to become mixed (in a similar manner to
the EU) then our low level of taxation would also have to increase to their
level, and I personaly have no desire to support huge fleets of inter-
galactic cruisers on my salary. We could easily have a taxation rate in
excess of +3E35 % and an inflation rate of +1.5E34 % although unemployment
benefits would make multi-millionairs daily.
Best regards
HARRY, Upplands Vasby, Sweden.
(*1) A religion based upon a saviour, a son of God who's earthly father was
a carpenter. He was nailed to a tree for saying how nice it would be
if people were nice to each other. Predates Christianity by over 2000
years.
(*2) A religion based upon a saviour, a son of God who's earthly father was
a carpenter. He was nailed to a tree for saying how nice it would be
if people were nice to each other. Predates Islam by about 600 years.
(*3) A religion based upon a saviour, a son of God who's earthly father was
NOT a carpenter. He was illiterate but this didn't stop him writing
a very lonnnnnnggggg book, the contents of which coincidentally bear a
remarkable similarity to the Bible, passed on by word of mouth.
=======
From: ...
 
Hi all,
In common with Dave and alan, I also like to keep an open mind on the subject
of there being intelegent life "up there".
Daily I watch the news and hear what is happening upon our little Earth, I see
and hear stories which are almost all about people kicking the shit out of
other people. If life on Earth evolved from some "seed", as suggested by
Frank, then could it be that "them up there" are kicking the shit out of each
other too? If that's the case then there cannot be "intelegent" life up there
in just the same way as there isn't any down here!!
All the very best 73s from
hello fello bofars mem 67 here reporting for flack.
After a meeting with fellow bofars of which i had no chance at all
to reconise as they had a pillow slip with two eye holes cut in
ans i was given one at the entrance to the cave befor i could get
into the meeting.they talked about Penny farthing bike races gorgi
motor bike convoys, nude hand gliding,or whether max wall trousers
should be part of the uniform,chap next to me said that one of these
chaps here is a cannibal,ha!"ha!"i burst out you are a real bofar,
but one idea put forward was that all bofars should send a photo
into head office to make up a album(it would beat the dooms day book)
with all the members,then at all the meetings and rallys we could look for
the aliens.but then i thought to myself we would all look the same in
pillow cases, but there again bofars are clever.any ideas brothers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When on holiday Paul Keller the trick cyclist was on one of the shows
in the Hotel, He put evry one there in a trance, When he was walking
across the stage he tripped over the mike wire and said SH.T.
the Hotel staff had quite a job cleaning up and the smell YUK!".
Û 73's Harry Û
 
RE-DK6XH zu " Die 1. Gefahr "
=============================
 
Liebe Freunde,
unter dem Absender: " DARC - Arbeitsgruppe Kommunikation und Oeffent-
lichkeitsarbeit " hat sich DK6XH zu unserem Beitrag hier in PR:
" Die 1. Gefahr " zu Wort gemeldet ( nachzulesen in PR unter DARC ).
Dabei fuehrt DK6XH u.a. aus:
 
"... 1. Das derzeit geltende Amateurfunkgesetz gibt einen Rechtsanspruch
auf Erteilung einer Genehmigung beim Vorliegen bestimmter Voraus-
setzungen. Dies ist nach dem Gesetzentwurf nicht mehr der Fall.
2. Einem gebundenen beguenstigendem Verwaltungsakt darf keine Neben-
bestimmung hinzugefuegt werden.
3. Der moegliche Widerruf der Zulassung zur Teilnahme am Amateurfunk-
dienst stellt die Funkamateure gegenueber jedem Buerger des Lan-
des schlechter.
ALLE DREI AUSSAGEN SIND FALSCH ! ........."
 
Ebenfalls sagt DK6XH es waere nicht richtig, dass der Begriff
" Nebenbestimmung " nur ein anderes Wort fuer Auflagen sei.
Zu dieser zuletzt genannten Behauptung ein Zitat aus dem " Rechts-
Woerterbuch von Creifelds " :
" Nebenbestimmungen kann der Verwaltungsakt enthalten, soweit eine
Rechtsvorschrift es zulaesst oder wenn sie sie sicherstellen sollen,
dass die gesetzlichen Voraussetzungen des Verwaltungsaktes erfuellt
werden. Hierzu gehoeren Bedingungen, Befristungen, Widerrufsvorbe-
halte und " Auflagen ".........".
 
Damit ist eindeutig klargestellt, dass eine Auflage ( zu einer Genehmigung )
eine Nebenbestimmung im Sinne des Verwaltungsverfahrensgesetzes ist.
Nichts anderes haben wir gesagt.
Uebrigens widerlegt sich in diesem Punkt DK6XH selbst, denn an anderer
Stelle seiner Veroeffentlichung sagt er ( zu 2. ) :
"........Aber es gibt viele Arten von Nebenbestimmungen, nicht
nur die Auflage ........"
womit auch DK6XH zweifelsfrei anerkennt, dass Auflagen zu den Neben-
bestimmungen im Sinne des Verwaltungsverfahrensgesetzes gehoeren.
Aber nun zu den anderen Punkten.
Wir haben gesagt:
" Der Rechtsanspruch auf die Erteilung einer Genehmigung, wie
er im derzeitigen Amateurfunkgesetz enthalten ist, ist im
neuen Gesetz nicht mehr vorhanden. "
Hierzu versucht DK6XH dem unbedarften Leser vorzumachen, dass die
neue Formulierung:
" Die Regulierungsbehoerde laesst eine natuerliche Person
....... auf Antrag zur Teilnahme am Amateurfunk zu, wenn
sie eine fachliche Pruefung fuer Funkamateure abgelegt..
..hat. "
rechtlich gleichbedeutend ist mit der derzeitigen Fassung:
 
" Die Genehmigung ist zu erteilen wenn......"
Dabei uebersieht DK6XH aber einiges. Die hier in Rede stehende Geneh-
migung lautet naemlich komplett:
" Genehmigung zum Errichten und Betreiben einer
Amateurfunkstelle ".
Im alten Gesetz besteht also ein Rechtsanspruch auf eine Genehmigung
zum Errichten und Betreiben einer Amateurfunkstelle.
Hierin besteht der gravierende Unterschied.
Die Genehmigung ist der springende Punkt.
In einschlaegigen Kommentaren kann man dazu nachlesen:
" Errichten und Betreiben setzt Besitzen voraus ! "
Was auch einleuchtend ist, denn was ich nicht besitze, kann ich auch
nicht betreiben !
Anders ausgedrueckt, um Errichten und Betreiben zu koennen muss erst
einmal ein entsprechender Besitz vorhanden sein.
Der Rechtsanspruch alter Form regelt mit dem Rechtsanspruch auf die
Erteilung einer Genehmigung automatisch:
das Besitzen ( und die Gewalt ueber den Besitz )
das Errichten
und das Betreiben
einer Amateurfunkstelle, waehrend die neue Form lediglich die Zulassung
zur Teilnahme am Amateurfunk beinhaltet.
Wem dies alles zu kompliziert erscheint, der moege sich einmal die Frage
stellen, warum die Fernmeldebehoerde die Formulierung:
" Die Genehmigung ist zu erteilen........"
nicht beibehalten will und warum sie speziell diese Passage geaendert
hat ?
Wenn dem so waere wie DK6XH unrichtigerweise behauptet, dass beide
Passagen ( alt und neu ) die gleichen rechtlichen Folgerungen haetten,
dann bestuende doch fuer eine Aenderung kein Bedarf, oder ?
Ein weiterer Punkt ist der Widerruf der Genehmigung.
Im jetzigen Gestz ist der Widerruf auch gegeben, aber praktisch nur
dann, wenn ein lizenzierter Funkamateur straffaellig geworden ist.
Damit konnte und kann allen Gesetzesuebertretern die Genehmigung
entzogen werden.
Wenn wir uns gegen die Moeglichkeit der Lizenzentziehung durch die
Behoerde ausgesprochen haben, dann wollten wir damit nicht die
" schwarzen Schafe " schuetzen, wie DK6XH meint; aber wir stehen
auf dem Standpunkt, dass es ein gravierender Unterschied, ist ob die
Fernmeldebehoerde nach eigenem Ermessen ( man koennte auch sagen
Gutduenken ) die Moeglichkeit hat, die Lizenz zu entziehen oder ob
erst ein ordentliches Gericht die Straftat beurteilt und erst danach,
wenn die Staffaelligkeit gerichtlich festgestellt worden ist, die
Fernmeldebehoerde die Erlaubnis erhaelt, die Lizenz zu entziehen.
Dabei sei daran erinnert, dass auch das vorsaetzliche Stoeren von
Amateurfunkaussendungen eine Straftat im Sinne der Strafgesetzgebung
ist und auf dem zuvor beschriebenem Wege zu einem Lizenzentzug
fuehren kann.
Bei dieser zuletzt genannten Verfahrensweise, wie sie im derzeitigen
Gesetz gegeben ist, ist ein willkuerliches Ermessen der Behoerde
von vornherein ausgeschlossen, was nur dem weiteren Schutz des
Amateurfunks dient !
Es ist voellig ausreichend, wenn der Fernmeldebehoerde als Sank-
tionierungsmassnahmen das Betriebsverbot und die Betriebsbeschraen-
kung ( beides allerdings mit zeitlicher Begrenzung ) zur Verfuegung
stehen. Die Moeglichkeit des Widerrufs der Genehmigung sollte aus-
schliesslich nur ueber das Gerichtsverfahren machbar sein.
Insgesamt muss man sich wundern, dass die Darstellungen von DK6XH
unter dem Absender " DARC - Arbeitsgruppe Kommunikation und Oeffent-
lichkeitsarbeit " verfasst worden sind. Von einer solchen Instutition
sollte man mehr Sacchkenntnis, mehr Einsatz fuer die Rechte der
Funkamateure und weniger Diffamierung Andersdenkender erwarten koennen.
 
Fritz
DJ2NL
------ Fine del messaggio #69945 di G4XNH per UFO @ WW ------
From: i.read@netcom.co.uk (Ian Read)
Norfolk Lights
On Thursday September 26, 1996 at approximately 7.00 - 8.00 p.m.
everyone's_ light's/electrical powered appliances when "dim" or messed up
for about half a second, this also caused my friend's Personnel Computers
to reset, and the TV screen of Channel 4 turned to "snow." Of course this
sounds like a normal power serge or very short power cut, but the following
morning almost everyone I spoke to told me that they had heard reports of
UFOs!!! These include discs and BOLs [Balls of Light].
Also within 30 minutes of the "power serge" a bright blue flash was seen
right across the Eastern counties [as far as Cambridge] according to BBC
Radio Broadland (the local radio station) the following morning. I
personally saw the flash, it lit up my whole room! I was doing some writing
on my PC and I was expecting it to reset, but it did not, fortunately :)
I should most probably have more information on this by next Tuesday as I
am sure the matter will be discussed at the Norfolk UFO Society's meeting
on Monday October 7. Also reports stated that we can expect to see more of
these objects very soon, I hope we do :)
---
BTW is if anyone reading this lives in Norfolk, please email me for details
of the Norfolk UFO Society, NUFOS, we need members :)
[U2]******
Source: Eastern Evening News [Norwich]
Date: 20 February 1995.
From: i.read@netcom.co.uk (Ian Read)
[Sighting was on the 17 February 1995]
Were Strange Lights A 'UFO' Or Just A Plane?
Is it a bird, is it a plane?
Chris Hylton was convinced it was neither when he saw a strange object in
the skies on his way home near Wymondham on Friday.
The Biochemist from Hardingham reported seeing a jumbo-jet-sized object
while he was crossing the B1108 at about 7.20pm.
An RAF Coltishall spokesman said it could have been a survey plane which
would use bright white lights for mapping purposes.
Mr Hylton, 31 is keen to hear from anyone else who may have seen the
object. They can contact him on 0953-850124.
[U3]******
Source: Eastern Evening News [Norwich]
Date: 25 February 1995.
From: i.read@netcom.co.uk (Ian Read)
UFO Over Sprowston
YOUR report on Chris Hylton sighting a mysterious flying object recently
accords well with my own experience a couple of days earlier, on Wednesday,
February 15.
At about 4pm that afternoon I was sitting indoors when something outside
the window caught my eye.
There, in the north-western sky from this point in Sprowston, I observed a
brilliant white light.
Since it was at a great height I was unable to determine any distance
shape, and whatever it was presented itself as a ball of vivid light.
It remained completely stationary for upwards to two minutes, after which
it moved slowly smoothly in a westerly direction.
I watched the object for a further minute and, although it must have been
many miles away by this time, the light did not diminish.
Then, suddenly, just a flick and it had vanished from sight. No man-made
vehicle would have been able to remain in one position for as long as that.
No helicopter could have been operated at such a height. No conventionally
powered lamp could have generated such intensity.
It was no flying object that I could identify. What was it?
Geoff Hendry,
Moore Avenue,
Sprowston
[U4]******
Source: Eastern Evening News [Norwich] - 4 November 1995.
Date: 4 November 1995.
From: i.read@netcom.co.uk (Ian Read)
I've Seen A UFO, Villager Tells Police
A WORRIED villager alerted police last night after he spotted a suspected
UFO hovering in the skies over Norfolk.
The man telephoned officers at Great Yarmouth claiming he saw the flashing
blue and white star-shape disc above Freethorpe.
He told police the mystery object was in the area for about 30 minutes
before it moved off into the night.
PC Martin Peterson said: "He sounded quite genuine according to the officer
who spoke to him. We had no other reported sightings in the area."
[U5]******
Source: Eastern Evening News [Norwich]
Date: November 8, 1995
From: i.read@netcom.co.uk (Ian Read)
Sighting Adds To 'UFO' Puzzle
by GREG MILAM
A NORFOLK UFO mystery deepened today after a second man reported seeing
strange lights in the sky.
Computer engineer Nick Colman was driving home from work on Friday night
when he says the bright light tracked his car as he approached Aylsham.
The sighting came just hours before a man telephoned police at Great
Yarmouth reporting a suspected UFO at Freethorpe.
The Evening News told of that sighting on Saturday -- and Nick then
realised he might have not been seeing things.
Worried Nick, who works for a computer company on the Sweetbriar Industrial
Estate, watched as the light appeared in his rear view mirror and moved
round to the side of his car before shooting up into the sky in front of
him.
The 30-year-old said: "At first I thought it might have just been a halogen
lamp but when it started moving to the side of the car, where they was no
road, I knew it wasn't.
"It couldn't have been a helicopter because it was too low to the ground
and I have never known a helicopter shoot up that fast.
"I told about 20 people about it later that night and then I read about the
sighting at Freethorpe.
"Someone told me it could have been a reflection in my windows but I was
smoking a cigarette so my window was would wound down."
A man called Great Yarmouth police in the early hours of Saturday morning
reporting a blue and white flashing disk over fields at Freethorpe.
A police spokesman said today there had been no more
reported sightings of strange lights.
 
[U11]******
Source: The Leicester Mail
Date: 17th October 1996
From: RUSHEYMEAD@aol.com
UFO Photo Mystery
We set out to unravel riddle of the film
BY DAY he researches statistics and marketing strategies at Leicester'
Charles Keen College, but at night he is busy investigating things far
less mathematical.
Eighteen-year-old business studies student Minesh Gupta can regularly be
found leaning out of his bedroom window at his home in Moorgate Street,
Belgrave, scanning the skies for evidence of alien activity.
He is convinced that there is extraterrestrial life 'out there somewhere',
and has spent the last four years researching UFOs and keeping a nightly
vigil in search of The Truth about aliens. "I truly believe that UFOs and
extraterrestrials are real. If mankind exists, there has to be something
else out there in the universe," he said.
Minesh feels that only true UFO believers such as himself can actually see
UFOs, and is waiting for the day when he'll come face to face with an alien
craft or being.
"That would be the best day of my life," he said. Minesh believes he has
come one step closer to the Truth, by capturing what he claims is a UFO on
film.
He told the M-Files this week that he spotted the strange phenomenon on one
of his late evening look-outs in July.
Armed with binoculars and a camera, he photographed 'two white lights which
were moving together up and down in the sky.'
"I'm certain I've photographed a UFO, and I'm going to carry on searching
for more evidence of extraterrestrials," he said -regardless of the fact
that, like Fox Mulder in cult TV series The X Files, most of his friends
think he's weird! Maybe I am crazy, but I know there's something out here,"
he added. And he's currently craving the ultimate close encounter -being
abducted by aliens.
"It would beeveloping Minesh's UFO photograph, and will reveal all
next week.
[U12]******
Source: Aberdeen Press & Journal Daily
From: "Tony Morse I.C.E."
Date sent: Fri, 18 Oct 1996
Big Snowball In Sky
Just visited your site for first time. Excellent info, well done. Good to
see factual data.
Report in the Aberdeen Press & Journal Daily recently describes how a lady
from Falkirk ( Margaret Ross, 63 ) shot a 40 min video of a pulsating
bright object in a cloudless sky, 6am Sept 27th. She describes: " looked
like big snowball in sky. Its outside edges then becam pointed. Object
didn't move, just stayed & pulsated. After 15 mins it blossomed into a half
circle shape with four diagonal stripes. Began rotating and returned to its
original shape. Then speeded away in direction of Linlithgow" "it didn't
frighten me, Iwas just fascinated by it changing shape. The UFO was also
witness by a family 2 miles away. This is the second time she has taped
strange lights in the sky, none of them explained conventionally. A
photograph from the video footage looks like an irregular rock with 5
bright strips of light running parallel from top left to bottom right. Not
a "conventional" ufo shape.
This report comes from Scotland's UFO hotspot - the area around Bonnybridge.
[U13]******
Source: The Daily Telegraph (London, UK)
Date: November 01, 1996
Life Was Found On Mars By Britons - And It's Still There
By Roger Highfield - Science Editor
BRITISH scientists can claim to be the first to have found evidence of life
on Mars in the wake of sensational new evidence that suggests primitive
organisms may still thrive there.
A packed meeting of scientists in London was told yesterday that methane
belching bugs may have lived on Mars 600,000 years ago - much more recently
than the 3.6 billion years ago suggested by American work that made
headlines in August.
The discovery by a team from the Open University, raises hopes that life
may still exist in protected regions of our planetary neighbour.
Scientists were told of the "smoking-gun evidence of life on Mars" by Dr
Ian Wright, a member of the Open University led by Prof Colin Pillinger,
joint organiser of the Royal Society meeting. "It's a staggering result,"
Dr Wright said afterwards.
The all-important question of who was the first to find evidence of life on
the red planet is also challenged by yesterday's evidence, which puts the
British years ahead of the American team.
Dr Wright told the meeting that the new analysis supported earlier work by
the team that revealed a high proportion of organic material within EETA
79001, a Mars meteorite.
Doubts were cast on this evidence after it was published in the journal
"Nature" in 1989.
Yesterday, however, Dr Wright presented new evidence to show that EETA
79001 did indeed contain organic material indigenous to the meteorite and
not the result of contamination.
[U14]******
Source: The Herald (Glasgow)
Date: October 14, 1996
Half-Moon 'UFO' Is Tracked On Video For 40 Minutes
Copyright 1996 Caledonian Newspapers Ltd.
Page 7
SPECIALIST investigators believe Stirlingshire woman Margaret Ross has
evidence of a UFO sighting.
Mrs Ross, 63, of Falkirk, captured pictures on her video camera from her
bedroom window at daybreak on Friday, September 27.
The footage shows a pulsating bright object in a cloudless sky to the south
of her home. The snowball-like object is obviously far brighter and bigger
than any star in the sky.
Its appearance gradually transforms into a half-moon shape with four
diagonal bars of high intensity brightness.
The object is seen on tape for about 40 minutes before it disappears from
the sky.
Mrs Ross said: "After about 15 minutes, it blossomed into a half circle
shape with four diagonal stripes. It then began rotating and returned to
its orginal shape. It then seemed to speed away eastwards in the direction
of Linlithgow.
"I don't know what this was but it definitely was not a star, plane,
helicopter, or balloon.
"It didn't frighten me. I was just fascinated by the changing shape. I was
speechless. I just watched in awe."
Two miles from Mrs Ross's home, the phenomenon was being witnessed by her
daughter, Alexis, 42, and her family. She said: "I phoned my mother at 7am
and asked her if she had seen anything in the sky. She told me she had it
on tape. It's absolutely amazing."
Mr Ron Halliday, of Stirling University, chairman of Scottish Earth
Mysteries Research, said last night: "It is one of the best footages I have
ever seen from anywhere in the world. Such a length of footage is very
unusual.
"Film of alleged phenomena is very rare and usually lasts for a few
fleeting seconds.
"It is extremely rare to have film evidence backed up by multiple
witnesses.
"At the moment, there is no obvious explanation as to what Mrs Ross
captured on video."
Mr Kenny Higgins, chairman of Scottish Research into Unidentified Flying
Objects, said: "I have never seen anything resembling the shape in the sky
that Mrs Ross has captured. It is as good a piece of evidence of a UFO in
Scotland as I've ever seen."
For years, there have been hundreds of reported sightings of strange
phenomena in the skies around Bonnybridge, Denny, and Falkirk.
 
[U15]******
Source: Press Association Newsfile
Date: October 24, 1996
UFO Film Footage 'Best Ever'
BYLINE: Aine Harrington, PA News
A UFO researcher is studying video footage of an unexplained object in the
sky, described as the "best and clearest" ever film of a mystery sighting
ever recorded in Scotland.
The footage was taken last week by a couple who saw an object low in the
sky above Camelon, in Falkirk - just a few miles from Bonnybridge, which is
reputed to be Scotland's capital for mystery UFO sightings.
Ron Halliday, a UFO researcher at the University of Stirling, said: "It is
the best and clearest video footage I have every seen and I have examined a
lot. "It was taken in daylight against clear blue sky and you get a very
good view of the object. "One of the witnesses is sending me a copy of the
video for anyalsis today. I will then examine it frame by frame and get a
better idea of what the object is."
The video footage was taken by Barry McDonald, 27, and his girlfriend Jane
Adamson, 23, at around 6.30pm last Wednesday. The couple were travelling
from their home in the Falkirk area when they spotted something in the sky.
Mr McDonald, who was driving the car, braked to get a better view of it.
And Ms Adamson, who is due to have a baby next week, said: "We just
couldn't believe it. I got such a fright, I couldn't speak."
The couple said that when they first saw the object it looked like an
orange-coloured football and then changed to a flat saucer shape before
disappearing. The couple watched the object for about 15 minutes until Mr
McDonald remembered he had a camcorder in the boot of his car. But by the
time they set up the equipment they only managed to capture a minute or so
of footage. In total the couple watched the object for 20 minutes.
Ms Adamson said: "After it disappeared I didn't know what to think or say.
At first we were afraid to tell anyone in case they thought we were
lunatics." But the couple contacted Mr Halliday and let him look athe
video evidence. "I can't think of an explanation for the footage other than
it is a UFO, because whatever else it is, it is definitely unidentified,"
he said. And Ms Adamson said: "I believe there is something there but I'm
not sure what it is."
[U16]******
Source: The People
Date: October 27, 1996
Terrified Tourists In UFO Blitz!; UFO Sighting Reported In Killarney
SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 11
BYLINE: Ian Brandes
A group of terrified British holidaymakers have filed a weird
close-encounter report to UFO investigators.
The party were travelling towards Killarney in the early hours when
mysterious white lights appeared.
Their tranquil ride in County Kerry turned to terror as the lights swooped
and buzzed their Toyota Previa car.
The driver of the group - two adult couples and a 15-year-old boy from
Middle Wallop, Hants - said: "It was an oval group of white lights,
rotating in a clockwise direction.
"The lights appeared on both sides of the vehicle, moving rapidly on at
least three occasions at high speed."
His wife, who also wants to remain anonymous, added: "I saw strange beams,
pulsating in half circles and then a circle of rotating white lights came up
from the horizon before disappearing at speed."
In their statement to investigators from the UK-based UFO Quest
International, the distressed tourists told how:
THEIR strange ordeal lasted between 10 and 15 minutes before the lights
shot away - doing another weird dance in the air, some miles away.
THERE were no buildings, vehicles or artificial lights in the area.
THEY all spotted a "strange white shape" behind forest undergrowth as the
episode continued.
The Quest report observed: "The night was fine and dry and visibility,
helped by a new moon, was perfect.
"Both couples are well used to military aircraft as they live just four
miles from an English RAF base."
Investigators are now seeking more information on the sighting, reported at
the end of July.
[U17]******
Source: The Sunday Times: Review.
Date: October 27, 1996
UFOs Disappear In A Flash Of Light
A new theory banishes spacemen but offers earthlings a new energy source,
finds Penny Wark.
It takes a brave man to debunk the enthusiasm for spotting little green men
because, as yet, there is not much money in it. Conversely, follow the
tried and tested extra-terrestrial route and UFO spotters everywhere will
dig into their anorak pockets to buy your evidence.
Paul Devereux is one of the brave heretics. He is a researcher with the
International Consciousness Research Laboratories in New York and believes
that many so-called UFO sightings have a rational explanation relating to
fault lines within the earth. The blazing lights which fascinate ufologists
are actually earth lights, or flashes of energy which erupt from the earth
as a result of geophysical processes, he explains. If he is right, the
truth is not out there, as X Files aficionados would have it, but has been
here all along.
Devereux's theory, to be aired next Sunday in Channel 4's Equinox
programme, Identified Flying Objects, is based on a study of earth lights
reported over North Wales in 1904-05 which, when plotted on a map, matched
fault lines and preceded an earthquake. Another study has made the same
link, more recently, in Washington state in America. If earth lights
precede earthquakes, surely they could be used to predict earthquakes, so
Devereux reasons. Furthermore, he suggests, earth lights have enormous
potential as sources of energy.
"It is rather like asking in 1495 what uses might be found for lightning,"
he said. "We have none, but we do now rely on electricity. What might come
out of earth lights could be whole new technologies and new ways of looking
at the world." Is his supposedly rational explanation for UFO sightings as
wild as the rumours of flying saucers themselves? Although the Equinox
programme takes his theory seriously, those he most seeks to convince are
inclined to dismiss him as a peddler of more UFO bunkum. So far only
Japanese scientists have reacted positively by investing in researching the
potential energy force.
For other scientists, seeing is not necessarily believing. "When I first
wrote about earth lights I was condemned by scientists who said I should
not be looking at it because it was associated with UFOs, and ufologists
tore into me because I was reductionist and knocked down their alien
theories," Devereux said. "It's disappointing that today we have a
situation where the only people who pay any attention to these things are
people who believe in alien spaceships and because of that a lot of
scientists won't touch the subject. One hopes bolder scientists will be
prepared to take a risk and become involved in the research this subject
needs."
His difficulty is that however logical and plausible his argument, it holds
no water unless you accept the existence of earth lights. Wary of falling
into the anorak bracket them selves, American top brass reject it. To them,
lights in the sky are the preserve of nerds and dogmatic fantasists. All of
which Devereux acknowledges.
"Ufology is a belief system, rather like a religious cult," he said. "In
America the suggestion that UFOs are anything but alien craft is almost
impossible to get across because the UFO notion is so ingrained in
mythology."
The biggest stumbling block to accepting the alien theory is, of course,
the idea that the 5m UFOs observed throughout the world since 1945 were all
aircraft engaged on an intergalactic journey. Psychologists would rather
latch on to the cultural references thrown up by sightings.
Given that reports of visitations mirror contemporary culture - 500 years
ago lights in the sky were regarded as dragons, and only when mechanised
travel was developed did people start to see airships - might not the
phenomenon be no more than a cultural joke?
Nice theory, said Jenny Randles, a professional UFO researcher, but she
clings to the notion that nobody has proved that one, either. "I would be
delighted if we could establish that what is happening is a combination of
natural phenomena like earth lights, hallucinations and a mass global
psychosis based on a desire to believe in aliens, but there is no evidence
to support the last point.
To prove it we would need to know that people who claim to have been
kidnapped by aliens have difficulty separating dreams from reality. They do
not."
The sceptical view is summed up by a sighting recorded by three experienced
American pilots on the ground in Concord, California. They saw a silent and
silvery craft the size of a 707, travelling at jet altitude and manoeuvring
like no earthly craft. Only when it moved between them and some trees did
they recognise it as a weed seed. What they saw was just a piece of fluff.
Fitch and Anders were not done with their criticism. In the June 7, 1963
edition of Science, they wrote: "Ragweed pollen stained by the Gridley
method becomes distorted so that it resembles Claus and Nagy's Type 5
organized element, a particle found in a Gridley-stained preparation of the
Orgueil carbonaceous chondrite." That is, Claus and Nagy's original work
had identified several types of 'organized elements' in their meteorite
that might possibly be microfossils. At the time of their first article,
Fitch and Anders had found terrestrial analogues for all the shapes but
one, Type 5. Now they had found that terrestrial pollen resembled the Type
5 structure when prepared for microscopic examination by the same staining
process. (Cellular samples are stained by laboratory scientists to make
otherwise transparent structures become visible for observation.)
However, this was not sufficient to dampen interest. In Scientific American
(March 1963), Dr. Brian Mason of the American Museum of Natural History, in
his article 'Organic Matter from Space,' opined: "While the reality of
extraterrestrial life or the remains thereof in the carbonaceous meteorites
is still in doubt, this should not obscure the great significance of the
organic compounds they contain." Carbonaceous chondrites bear complex
organic molecules that typically on Earth are produced almost exclusively
by biological processes -- and the notion that all carbonaceous meteorites
were entirely composed of contaminants was clearly ridiculous. Moreover,
one scientist cultured some Orgueil samples and detected microorganism
growth after several months! The meteorite was holding its own against both
the advocates of contamination and those who held the organized elements
were merely 'carbonaceous snowflakes.'
Then, in January 1965, Scientific American announced the matter was closed.
"Faked Life from Other Worlds," read the caption, and the words beneath
delineated the latest findings of Fitch and Anders: "A fragment of a
meteorite that fell in southwest France more than a century ago has proved
on recent inspection to be ingeniously doctored with terrestrial organic
material."
Confident words, but the actual statements of Fitch and Anders and their
associates, presented in Science (November 27, 1964), were far more
tenative. Upon examination, they said, a new Orgueil meteorite sample
revealed fragments of actual plants and coal. Coal was not extensively used
in southern France at the time of the Orgueil fall. Normally one would take
this to mean that environmental contamination was unlikely. Instead, Fitch
and Anders maintained that this was proof that someone had gone out of
their way to deliberately contaminate the meteorite!
They strongly discounted the possibility that the contamination was
accidental. And the following passage sounds more than somewhat sarcastic:
. . . we have not been able to establish with certainty whether
the contamination was inadvertant or deliberate. Inadvertent
contamination requires that someone picked up a partly
disintegrated stone along with some plant and coal fragments and
some glue, but very little soil. He must then have moistened the
specimen, enough to render it plastic, but not enough to cause
loss of epsomite, and molded it back into shape. He must have
taken some pains with the job to produce such a remarkably good
imitation of fusion crust.
Hidden behind these words is the admission that if this isn't a hoax,
undertaken shortly after the meteorite fell, then indeed the new evidence
indicates the meteorite must have carried plant life from another world!
But what was the motive of the hoaxer? The January 1965 Scientific American
article states:
While the investigators [Fitch and Anders] were speculating on
possible motivation for so elaborate a hoax, Walter Sullivan of
The New York Times pointed out to them that the Orgueil fall had
occured only five weeks after [Louis] Pasteur had delivered his
stormy and widely reported defense of divine creation as the only
possible initiator of life. With this coincidence in mind, Anders
and his associates envision the hoaxer as an opponent of
Pasteur's stand who knew that the chemical composition of
legitimate carbonaceous chondrites had already suggested the
possibility of extraterrestrial life . . . .
So, very well, the hoaxer was an evolutionist, seeking to discredit a
creationist. The writers are throwing a bone to scientific creationism --
or is it a red herring? Scientific American admits: "The attempted hoax
fell flat, Edward Anders of the University of Chicago and his associates
report in Science; instead of attracting attention, the doctored meteorite
remained unexamined for 98 years."
Which kind of argues that there was no hoaxer and no hoax, does it not?
Fitch and Anders and their associates present convoluted evidence for a
hoax, and offer a convoluted motive as well. They argue that the fusion
crust of their particular stone is different from any other carbonaceous
chondrite, but those differences -- indicating low heating -- could just as
well explain why plant particles survived the ride in this one meteorite.
Their assertion that glue was used to bind up the meteorite after willful
contamination is based on a chart of chemical constituents that shows
marginal agreement with the constituents found in animal glue. Moreover,
they themselves acknowledge, "We have no reason to believe that the Orgueil
meteorite samples in which Nagy et al. claimed to have found evidence of
extraterrestrial life (biogenic hydrocarbons and 'organized elements') were
similarly altered and contaminated." And to rule out a more recent hoax,
they add: " . . . all recent claims for extraterrestrial life in meteorites
were based on hydrocarbons and microstructures. A hoax excluding these two,
but including coal, plant fragments, and proteins makes little sense in the
present controversy, though it might have made a good deal of sense in a
similar controversy a century ago."
Orgueil was not the only meteorite fall in which organized elements were
found, but these are not mentioned. The samples examined by Nagy and Claus
were from a different stone than the one where the coal and plant fragments
were found.
And there is still the nagging question: "What if those plant fragments did
come from space?"
If so, then thirty-five years ago we came upon the discovery of
extraterrestrial life. But it was too much to contemplate; cognitive
dissonance set in. And so we accepted the most tenuous dismissal that it
was all a hoax. And so the matter has been forgotten.
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Date: 2nd October 1996
CNN interviews Buzz Aldrin
About a month ago, CNN did a short interview with Buzz Aldrin and asked him
several questions regarding UFO's. They even asked him if he himself saw one.
He said he did not, nor does he believe that there is a coverup. Many people
have great respect for this man, the second human being to set foot on the
moon. But he is only speaking from his experiences, not all of NASA's nor of
all of ours. Keeping an open mind on this subject hurts no one. Who knows, in
time, we'll all know the truth.
[W11]******
Source: Associated Press
Date: October 17, 1996
All Mars, All The Time, Red Planet To Go Online
CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AP) -- Come next summer, it will be all Mars, all
the time.
NASA plans to issue Mars news and weather updates on the Internet and take
World Wide Web browsers along for rides in a Mars rover once the Pathfinder
spacecraft arrives at the Red Planet.
The probe is to be launched December 2 and land July 4, 1997.
"Every day on the Internet, we're going to post the weather report on Mars
-- a little different than Earth -- and there will be a virtual presence on
Mars, so everybody in America and for that matter around the world can
participate," NASA Administrator Daniel Goldin said Wednesday.
Web users will be able to see what the Mars rover sees as it ambles along
the surface and scrutinizes rocks. Expect a 20- to 40-minute lag, though,
for the time it takes the signals to reach Earth.
Mars Pathfinder will be the first spacecraft to land on Mars since NASA's
twin Viking landers in 1976. Back then, there was no way to share such
wonders with so many people. Even with the more recent planetary probes,
there's never been anything like this.
"I would definitely term this the first planetary mission in the full-blown
Internet era," said NASA spokesman Douglas Isbell. "It's vicarious
exploration."
Cold and colder
If all goes well, the rover, named Sojourner, will study Martian rocks and
soil for at least a week, possibly months, with scientists and Internet
browsers following along.
As for the Martian weather forecast, make it cold and colder. At its
equator, Mars is a brisk minus-70 degrees Fahrenheit and gets colder the
closer one gets to the poles.
"I would hope that every newspaper would show the weather in Timbuktu --
and why not on Mars, too?" asked Matthew Golombek, project scientist for
the Mars Pathfinder. "It's a little chilly, but a nice place to be."
In addition to Pathfinder, NASA plans to launch a Mars orbiter called the
Mars Global Surveyor on November 6. It will take 10 months for the
spacecraft to reach its destination. Once there, it will map the planet
from a circular orbit for two years.
The color images will be posted on the Internet within a day or two.
Neither of the Mars probes will carry messages from Earthlings like
Pioneers 10 and 11 and Voyagers 1 and 2, all launched in the 1970s.
NASA is gathering signatures, however, to put on one or two CD-ROMs that
will be attached to the Cassini probe, to be launched next year to Saturn.
So far, some 500,000 signatures have been collected, Isbell said.
Stay tuned for Saturn weather reports.
[W12]******
Source: Aerospace Daily
Date: October 21, 1996
Cydonia Face To Be Imaged
FACE TIME: While Sojourner is set to crawl around the floor of an ancient
channel that scientists believe once carried liquid water, the Mars Global
Surveyor will map the planet from a polar orbit that will take it over most
points on the surface 26 times during a 687-day Martian year. That will
include the so-called "face on Mars" touted in the tabloids as evidence of
a past Martian civilization that NASA is trying to cover up. Arden Albee,
Global Surveyor project scientist, says the project plans to alert the
vocal face-on-Mars lobby whenever imagery from the region where the "face"
was spotted is coming up, and to post the imagery on the Internet as soon
as it's collected. "We think that we have done all the things that we can
possibly do in the framework of this mission to try to address this
question of the face on Mars," he says.
[W13]******
Source: Baltimore Sun
Date: September 22, 1996
UFOs Said To Invade Holy Land
TEL AVIV, Isreal -- It's not the invasion Isreal feared most. But aliens
alighting in the Holy Land are grabbing the headlines thses days, with a
flurry of media reports on UFO sightings and abductions by
estraterrestrials in egg-shaped spaceships.
"The Great Invasion," read a headline in the Maariv daily above a list of
16 examples of UFO sightings in the past three months. This week, Maariv
said, hundreds stopped on a major highway and stared at what looked like an
alien spacecraft doing loops above Tel Aviv before dawn.
A 62 year old Isreali who said he was abducted by aliens on his way to the
post office was intervied on television and radio. The story made
front-page news for a second day this week when a lab analysis of yellow
dust he says was showered on him by his captors was different from any soil
found in the area.
Skeptics say Isrealis are simply being swept away by U.S. pop culture. The
movie Indenpendence Day - about an alien invasion of Earth - is a
blockbuster here. The "X-Files" series - about two FBI agents who
investigate paranormal phenomena - is one of the most popular TV shows.
"I strongly believe that what we have now is hysterical behavior," said
Ariel Cohen, an atmospheric physicist at the Hebrew University of
Jerusalem.
Cohen said analysis of video footage of alleged UFO sightings suggested
cameramen had adjusted the focus to make subjects seem unnatural. Others
note Isreal's airspace is known to host a secretive -- but eartly -- air
force.
Still, Cohen said the authorities should investigate sightings and publish
the scientific explanations that could be found in most cases.
Social scientist, however, are fascinated by the craze.
Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, a psychology professor at Haifa University, says
people in modern societies are susceptible to quassi-religious fantasies
that send the message "you are not alone." Israelis, who live under a
perceived military threat from their Arab neighbors, are particularly
vulnerable.
"Israelis consider themselves to be very cynical and hardened,"
Beit-Hallahmi said. "The Israelis are actually the greatest suckers in the
world."
A recent television survey suggested nearly one in two Israelis believe in
extraterrestrials. True believers are convinced dramitic events are at
hand.
One incident even made police look up and take notice. Before dawn
Tuesday, Tel Aviv's police switchboard received dozens of calls from people
who said they saw a glowing object doing loops over the suburb of Ramat
Aviv.
Police spokesman Gadi Doron said officers reported that they also saw a
strange light in the night sky, along with hundreds gathered at the scene.
Questions also linger ovet the case of Uri Sakhov, a retiree who said he
was en route to the post office when he was grabbed by his hair and collar
adn pulled into an egg-shaped spacecraft. His captors were green, reached
up to his chest and made unintelligible sounds, Sakhov said.
Scientists who analyzed the yellow dust on Sakhov found it contained 55
percent aluminum and was different from area soil.
Michel Kobi, marketing manager of the lab that examined the dust, said
samples were sent to NASA, the U.S. space agency. Kobi said its unusual
composition suggested the UFO sightings could not be easily dismissed. "If
you combine all the incidents together, there might be something there," he
said.
 
To : UFO@WWW
Hello to All,
After reading the files on this subject that seem to be eminating
from Cynics and others. I submit firstly, two messages from others who have
wrote to me on this subject and lastly my own contribution.
They are as follows;-
"Area 51" (better known as Groom Lake) is no longer a secret among
the government and military of the U.S. During air shows that display
both the SR-71 and the F-117, the ground crews and flight crews will
talk quite freely about the location. I, myself, spent several years
at Area 51 as a systems contractor. Take it from me, the ONLY activity
performed at the location relates to the testing of highly classified
military hardware, mostly aircraft. The location that Bob Lazar
performed his work on anti-gravity propulsion systems was not Area 51,
but a location of much higher secrecy. It is located near Groom Lake,
but sits between several mountain ranges at an area called Papoose
Lake. Here is where several large civilian laboratories and a couple
government labs research projects of the utmost secrecy. This also
includes the continuing research on systems that have been recovered
from several alleged UFO crashes, along with a communications system
that was recently recovered from a UFO crash in Brazil (according to
information from several top scientists that appeared in a highly-
rated scientific journal).
Title : Re: The Truth please?
From: ...
To : ...
Hi Dave....Just read your packet re "Area51" in April this year I spent a
month in Rachael Nevadah with my sister. The property boundry to area 51
was just down the road. I used to walk the dogs there!!! Firstly you will
learn NOTHING. I tried. The whole area is guarded by "the military" Any
effort wto get in will result in getting shot!!!!!!! {Mind you there is
"nothing" there to hide, so why shoot you. At the road leading to area51
the sign is up for ALL TO SEE....."THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORISED"
The source of any information is the local watering hole "The Little
AlienInn" It is a very strange place. I am sure if you wrote there,
saying Ruth Millar's brother you get any up to date info. The inn is on
Route 375 [named the Alien Highway] Stories are rife, but those who know
say nothing, and those who don't spout!!!!!!
There was a scientist named Bob Lazar working at area 51. He headed a
team whose job it was to "backengineer" one of the nine captured UFO's on
the base. He found out how they worked, then made a fatal error. He spilt
the beans. He just disappeared. no one knows what happened to him.. In
the Inn there are diagrams of the workings of the UFO propulsion systems.
I wish I had bought one. {Send $20.00 and I am sure they will send you a
copy.} A strong romour there is there is an Alien living permanantly
Area51.
Also aboout ten miles from Rachael is a very strange place.. It is a
disused tungsten mine. The whole sight is totally disused.....except....
there is one large building in excellent condition. No one there but all
the airconditioners running and electricity cables all in new and
excellent condition......Strange things happen there.
If you want to write to my sister she is Ruth Miller Route 375 Rachael
Nevadah.
My name is John Randell...QTHR....I hope I have whetted your appetite.
The whole area is very strange, even to the eight or so supersonic bangs
every day. Happy New Year.
John Randell............................
PS I knew one the guys working there. I asked him what he did. His
response was he was a mechanic, and that's all I could get out of him.
They are all subject to the Official Secrets Act. His hands certainly did
not look like mecanic's. They are all scared except poor old Bob Lazar!!!!

73 - John, VK5BXN @ VK5BPC
Message timed: 16:15 on 11 Jan 97
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(3) G7USL de GB7TUT BBS>
Hello all
Area 51. It certainly has
stirred up the impressions that the general public have of what goes on ~Behind
Closed Doors~ and I read between the lines of your last statement regarding
technical progress achievements!
I recall also of, a report that appeared on Sky news, referring to a base
in Scotland. Namely ~Maccrahannish~ that appeared to be recieving cross
Atlantic flights from craft exceeding Mach 11 ! Whether or not it is
~Auroura~ the much denied stealth aircraft or something else?
A farmer who tended to take pictures of passing aircraft took some picture's
of the said craft. Took his film down to the local chemist for developing and
it was promtly siezed by the ~M.O.D.~ and the chemist was closed down!
This chap must have photographed something that wasn't meant
to be!.
There would appear to be three different types of Alien visitors each,
from different worlds.
One thing is certain, they have established bases in our solar
system........even here on Earth! We don't know why they are here although
Earth has some spectactular attractions. I think that a vested interest in our
Earth and its resourses....unique in the solar system is another popular
reason. They are not here for entirely philanthropic purposes a reliable
scourse was told.
I believe that mans progress has been monitored by beings whose
technological and mental resources make ours look primitive and theirs
~supernational~ by comparison. The fact that some of the visitors are similar
to us physiiologically suggests that we share a genetic link. Could it be that
some of them had a hand in our evolution?
Now that our technology has reached the stage were we are endangering the
planet and expanding our exploration of space, surveillance has intensified.
Is it mere coincidence that the modern wave of sightings began during the
Second world war as we began developing nuclear weapons and rockets? Is it
coincidental that UFOs have exhibited so much interest in our nuclear-missile
sites and have demonstrated their ability to paralyse launching systems?
I think, like you, we are entitled to know the truth!
To : UFO@WW
Dom wrote;
> well im sorry Dave but my bulletin was meant to be tongue in cheek
Well, that'll teach me to take life too seriously, hi! and I should have
known better than to read a bulletin out of context... [grin]
Humble apologies.
***
To : UFO@WW
VK6BOS [TPK182] Msg #:201 25/01/97 14:56 WST 6:56 UTC
HI, MY NAME IS NICK AND I WOULD LIKE INFO REGARDING THE S.E.T.I. PROGRAM,
IF ANYBODY COULD SEND ME SOME I WILL BE DELIGHTED, MY QTH IS PERTH W.A. AND
I DO BELIEVE THAT SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE,
HOPE TO HEAR SOMEONE ONE DAY, BEST WISHES
73 De Nick,
To : UFO@WWW
Thank you for plucking up courage to face up to the truth
To all the Cynics..........
Would you say that the following are Hoaxers?
Admiral of the Fleet, The Lord Hill-Norton GCB
Chief of Defence Staff 1971-73
Chairman of the NATO Millitary Commitee 1974-77
Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding
Commander-in Chief of the R.A.F.
Lord Mountbatten of Burma
Ralph Noyes
Former Ministry of Defence's Secretariat
Robert Galley
French Minister of Defence in 1974.
Wilbert Smith of the Canadian Government 1950
Professor Felix Zigel of
the Moscow Aviation Institute
General Nathan Twining
Commanding General of Air Material Command in 1947
General Geoge Marshall
- r- U.S. Army Chief of Staff during the Second World War
General Walter Bedell Smith, Director of Central Intelligence 1950-53
Douglas MacArthur
General of the U.S. Army
Leonard Stringfield
the Former U.S. intelligence Officer
Major Donald Keyhoe
on CBS TV in January 1958, when he was cut off the air in the middle of
making a statement testifying that ~UFOs~ are real machines under intelligent
control~
President Gerald Ford
Chairman of the Armed Services Commitee 1966
N.A.S.A. test pilot Joseph Walker
Former Astronaut Gordon Cooper
Rear Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter,
Director of Central Intelligence 1947-50
President Jimmy Carter...............
The list goes on...............
Time to pull your head out of the sand...............I think.
 
From: M0ASR@GB7SAM.#28.GBR.EU
To : UFO@WWW
Hi folks....
After I sent my bulletin out mentioning some of the answers to this strange
UFO phenomena was in the programme Dark Skies I see that G4POI Dave seemed
to have taken this a little seriously....well im sorry Dave but my bulletin
was meant to be tongue in cheek and not what I truelly believed.
Sorry to dissapoint you Dave, all the best.
73 de Dom.
From: IK8NRW@IW8DPW.ICAM.ITA.EU
To : UFO@ITA
 
 
Un nuovo avvistamento dalla rete UfoNet a tutti i radioamatori.
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Forwardato da UfoNet....
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Da Giuseppe Monticelli di Lodi abbiamno ricevuto notizia di un avvistamento
avvenuto lo scorso settembre. La riportiamo cosi' come ricevuta:
Il fatto e' avvenuto il 6 di settembre 1996 , alle ore 18.30 .
Un signore abitante nella zone di Maleo ( provincia di Lodi ) che
chiameremo Signor x ( per motivi di riservatezza ). Durante una paseggiata
in campagna si e' trovato a passare in localita Belgrado , saranno state
cica le 18.30 . Quando improvvisamente gli si e' fermato il motorino ,
convinto di essere in riserva si e' abassato per spostare il rubinetto di
arrivo miscela in posizione riserva . Nel alzare la testa , si e' reso
conto che verso di lui , in maniera silenziosa e lentamente , stava
avanzando un oggetto , l'oggetto sembrava ( come ci racconta ) un cono
rovesciato di colore grigio molto scuro .A nulla sono valsi i tentativi di
rimettere in moto per potersi allontanare . Finche spaventatissimo si e'
immobilizzato seduto sul suo motociclo . L'oggetto si e' fermato proprio
sulla sua verticale per circa 10 minuti (piu' o meno ). Ci riferisce , che
l'oggetto era piu' grande di casa sua e , che da sotto pendevano come
quatrro protuberanze , senbravano dei piedi o delle scalette .
Fatte le proporzioni con la sua abitazione , abbiamo calcolato doveva
avere un diametro di circa 30 metri .
L'oggetto e' schizzato via inprovvisamente ad una velocita' inpressionante
sparendo alla sua vista . Spaventatissimo ritenta di mettere in moto il
ciclomotore , che questa volta parte , e rientra immediatamente alla sua
abitazione , dove scopre di non essere assolutamente in riserva , il
serbatoio era quasi pieno . ( non sa precisare l'altezza dell'oggetto )
Il Signor x e' tuttora spaventato da questo suo incontro , tanto che aveva
deciso di non parlarne a nessuno .
Noi purtroppo siamo venuti a conoscenza del fatto solo in questi giorni e
, siamo riusciti , con molta pazzienza , a farlo parlare con la promessa
che il suo nome non sara' mai rivelato .
L'oggetto con probabilita arrivava dalla zona di Crotta d'Adda ed e'
schizzato via in direzione del fiume Po , piu' o meno nelle zone di S.
Rocco al Porto e Valloria .
Dalla mailing list UFOITALIA moderata da Maurizio Verga
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To : UFO@WW
Dom wrote;
> well im sorry Dave but my bulletin was meant to be tongue in cheek
Well, that'll teach me to take life too seriously, hi! and I should have
known better than to read a bulletin out of context... [grin]
Humble apologies.
--
73 de Dave, G4POI@GB7TUT.#32.GBR.EU IO91WQ BOF#234 (29-Jan-97)
Internet: drl@enterprise.net http://homepages.enterprise.net/drl
 
To : UFO@WW
HI, MY NAME IS NICK AND I WOULD LIKE INFO REGARDING THE S.E.T.I. PROGRAM,
IF ANYBODY COULD SEND ME SOME I WILL BE DELIGHTED, MY QTH IS PERTH W.A. AND
I DO BELIEVE THAT SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE,
HOPE TO HEAR SOMEONE ONE DAY, BEST WISHES
73 De Nick,
VK6BOS @ VK6WFH.
To : UFO@WWW
Hi folks....
After I sent my bulletin out mentioning some of the answers to this strange
UFO phenomena was in the programme Dark Skies I see that G4POI Dave seemed
to have taken this a little seriously....well im sorry Dave but my bulletin
was meant to be tongue in cheek and not what I truelly believed.
Sorry to dissapoint you Dave, all the best.
73 de Dom.
M0ASR@GB7SAM.#28.GBR.EU
on seeing the message from trev gw0vsc about objects seen falling from the sky
i thought i would look up some info on yearly meteor showers to see if it
matched with any of his observations,one meteor shower started on jan 1st 97
reached a maximum on jan 3rd 97 and ended jan 6th
this shower is called the QUADRANTIDS trevs sighting was on 27th jan 97
quite a while after,but i found the position of the meteors showers radiant
(thats a point where the meteors seem to start from) on a star atlas
its position was given as 15 hours 28 minutes (right ascension)
and +50 degrees declination , i then used a planisphere (thats a simple
rotating star chart )that can be set to tell what stars are visible for any
time of day throughout the year ,i set this to between 7 and 8 oclock
for jan 29th 97 and sure enough if it was dark you could see the
radiant point for the quadrantids meteor shower, so it was quite possible
that what trev saw was a daylight sighting of the shower,i am not an expert
its just been a interest over the years, yes it is sometime afterwards the
shower ended but it is one possible answer to the sighting some years ago
our local lifeboat was called out a few times for some very
bright meteors that left smoke trails and were mistaken for distress flares
still well done for getting a photo trev i hope that this has been of some help
it would be nice to see this subject a lot more on paket but i suppose its a
subject that gets a lot of strange comments when it concerns flying triangles,
aliens,abductions, ect but there is so much evidence that cannot always be
put down to meteors ,clouds, birds, planets, i have never seen a ufo as in
an object with a definate shape moving in a way that could not be a conventional
aircraft but never rule the possibility out
so if more people report ufo sightings when they see them there would be more
chance that undisputable proof will turn up
to keep the ufo topic going has anyone seen any info on the comet HALE BOP
or the claims that a tunnel inside one of the pyramids had a robotic
camera sent down and showed up a doorway off of this tunnel it was supposed
to have been opened in december 96
keep the subject rolling
73s henry g0jyh @ gb7bas
To : UFO@WWW
Forget Area 51! This sort of thing is going on all over the WORLD!
There has been a vail of secrecy in operation throughouy the world for, the
reasons that you have already stated. It is believed, and not without reason,
that to disclose any further information would lead to worldwide panic!
I had the pleasure of making freinds, on one of my many visits to the
Mildenhall Air Fete, with one of the crew which flew (at that time) the ~SR71~
Blackbird, a stealth reconaisense aircraft reputed to fly mhigher than any
other air breathing aircraft. 85,000ft is a good platform to see if anything
is entering our atmosphere!
I asked him what he knew about U.F.Os and the answer he gave me was
typical of someone that was sworn to the official secrets act. He said, ~I'm
not going to say that they DO exist but, then again, I'm not going to say that
they Don't. One does not have to be very intelligent to realise what answer to
arrive at!
Did you know that the first ever recorded sighting took place in 1933! over
the city of Illinois. Another, that was photographed appeared over the Culver
city area of Los Angeles early in the morning of the 25th of February 1942
Anti-aircraft shells were fired at it for two hours in a constant
barrage........Not one, reached it's target due to some form of force field!
Several of the world's top dignataries are aware of the World Wide Security
Threat from U.F.Os.. People such as The Admiral of the fleet, Lord Hill Norton,
Commander in-chief of Fighter Command, Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding
James Salandin of the former Royal Auxiliary Air Force, who encountered three
unknown aerial craft while flying his Meteor Mk8 jet over Southend in October
1954
In 1967 Captain Graham Shepard, who now flies Boeing 757s witnessed two
radar confirmed sightings from the flight deck of the Vanguard airliner that he
flew then.
The latest, and probably the most interesting was the Bentwaters/RAF
Woodbridge sighting that was never fully reported!
To answer the question about Area 51, the only explanation I can give you
is the words of Wilbert Smith in a Top Secret Canadian Government memorandum
stated;- ~The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States
Government rating higher than that of the latest destruction weapon. Flying
saucers exist~.
I could go on and on but all the info IS available for those who are
inerested enough to want to know under the American ~Freedom of Information
Act~
The only short term suggestion that I can make is that you purchase the
same book that I did, namely;
~Beyond Top Secret~ by Timothy Goode
You will find out ALL you want to know inside from, abductions to
genuine encounters told to someone who really dosen't pull punches!
73s for now, Dave.
To : UFO@WW
Hello dear Nick. I read your mail on 8.Feb.97 UTC. And I believe that
somebody is out of the earth,too. Because I have just watched the UFO about
20years ago.

I have watched the UFO at Hakodate city in hokkaido(nothern Japan, about 950
km north from Tokyo.) with my friend. And then I have watched a man in the
UFO, through that's window,sure.

The UFO moved very slowly,so we watched it maybe 10 or 15min. And it flew
very low with no sound. Maybe 20 or 30m above the ground. We looked 3 red
light at the top and both sides of UFO. The red light was blinking.

When we watched the UFO,it was very hot summer night in August. About 9 pm,
local time. And a man stood at the center of the window. In the UFO's room,
it was lighted. So we couldn't look his face. His face was dark. But the
shape was just a human!

So whenever I catch the aircraft,I'm looking for UFO out of the window.
Anyway if you get big news,please let me know. Thank you.
I'm working HF bands.
80m,40m,20m,15m,10m and 6m.
I hope to see you on the air,too.
de JA8LNR
Shinohara Masami (call me "Shino")
Japan Sapporo city
 
To : UFO@WW
HI TO YOU ALL! Here is some news about ufo sightings in Brazil in august 1996.
so read it:
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Brazil was again the site of a UFO controversy when a large metallic saucer,
165 feet in diametar, descended over a sugar cane field in Guarabira.
The incident took place on Saturday August 10th 1996., and is the third
daylight sighting of a disc to take place in 1996 (previous sightings taking
place in April and June).
Oriel Farias, a Ufologist from Joao Pessoa said, UM GRANDE OBJETO EM FORMA DE
DISCO, descended slowly from the cloudless sky, startling two women in the
process. At around 5 pm another smaller UFO was spotted high in the sky,
emanting an extremely bright white light.
However, by all accounts the most spectacular sight took place after dark. At
around 9pm, three UFOs of a triangular shape were seen travelling slowly across
the sky. Then, in a display that lasted only a few minutes, the objects began
to zig-zag trough the night sky. The following day, Ufologist from Joao Pessoa
interviewed witness and examined the site. After testing the soil at the field
where the first saucer was seen, the Ufologist found high traces of magnetism.
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If any of you have a futher informations about this incidend contact 9a1ccn and
leave a messege for Jimmy in Zadar. 73 from Jimmy and AGETI / Analytical group
for extraterrestrial informations.
Z
To : UFO@WW
Original from 9A1CCN to IW8ZGL@IK8XLD.IBAS.ITA.EU
BECAUSE OF THE GREAT INTEREST OF MY ROSWELL CRASH SERIAL I HAVE DECIDED TO SEND
A PRIVATE MESSAGE, WHICH I HAVE SENDED TO IW8ZGL, TO SEND IT NOW TO YOU ALL WHO
WANT TO READ SOME MORE UFO NEWS. I WAS SUPRISED WITH YOUR THANKS MESSAGES SO I
PROMISE I WILL SEND ALL NEW UFO NEWS WHEN I GOT THEM.
OK AND NOW THE START. THIS IS THE COPY OF MY MESSAGE TO IW8ZGL WHO HAS ASK ME
TO SEND HIM SOME INFORMATIONS ABOUT S4 / SO CALLED AREA 51/:
GREETINGS TO IW8ZGL FROM JIMMY AND AGETI /ANALYTICAL GROUP FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL
INFORMATIONS / IN ZADAR AND TNX FOR REPLAYING TO MY MESSAGE. OF COURSE, I HAVE
SOME NEWS WHO ARE CONECTED TO S4 OR SO CALLED AREA 51/DREAMLAND US BAZE IN
NEVADA. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY DO YOU KNOW ABOUT AREA 51 SO FOR START I WILL GIVE
SOME BASIC INFORMATIONS ABOUT AREA 51.
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AREA 51:
AREA 51 IS POSSIBLY THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL SECRET BASE THE WORLD HAS KNOWN.
RUSSIAN SATELLITE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN IN RECENT YEARS HAVE CLEARLY SHOWN THE BASE
RUNWAY, WHICH AT 9,5 KILOMETRES LONG, MAKES IT THE LONGEST IN THE WORLD.
THE LOCATION OF THIS MILITARY BASE IS IN THE NEVADA, NORTH FROM CITY LAS VEGAS.
AREA 51 IS STATIONED IN A MILITARY RESTRICTED AREA CALLED NELLIS RANGE. IN THIS
RESTRICTED MILITARY ZONE /AS THE SIZE OF THE SWITZERLAND/ AREA 51 IS ON SOUTH
FROM DRY GROOM LAKE / THIS LAKE YOU MAY FIND ON THE MAPE OF NEVADA IF YOU HAVE
IT/. THE ZONE ARROUN AREA 51 IS HIGHLY PROTECTED. ARROUND THE ZONE THERE ARE
THE SIGNS. ON THE SIGNS THEY ARE FOLLOWING WARNINGS.
MILITARY INSTALLATION WARNING IT IS UNLAWEN TO ENTER THIS RESTRICTED
ZONE WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION. TRANSGRESSORS WILL BE MET BY LETHAL FORCE!!!
ONE WITNESS ,ROBERT LAZAR, CLAIMS THAT HE HAS BEEN WORKING AT AREA 51 AND THAT
IN THAT US BASE ARMY IS WORKING WITH ALIEN TECHNOLOGY AND RECOVERED SAUCERS.
IN UFO COMMUNITY WE ARE NOT STILL 100 % SURE THAT LAZAR STORY IS AUTHENTIC.
THE BEST RESEARCH ABOUT BASE HAS DONE BY GLENN CAMPBELL. HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF
AREA 51 RESEARCH CENTER, BASED IN RACHEL,NEVADA AND HE IS THE EDITOR OF THE
GROOM LAKE DESERT RAT. HIS REPORTS SAY THAT WHAT WE CAN SAY FOR SURE IS THAT IN
THIS BASE US AIR FORCE IS TESTING THE SECRET AIR PLANES, AND THAT EVERY WORKER
AT AREA 51 MUST HAVE LIE DETECTOR TEST ON A REGULAR BASIS. SOME WITNESSES ALSO
CLAIMS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN UFO TECHNOLOGY, AND OTHERS WHO WERE
WORKING CLOSE TO THE BASE SAY THAT THEY NEVER SEE ALIENS OUT THERE BUT THEY
ALSO SAY THAT RECOVERED SAUCERS MAY BE THERE. THE BASE CAN STILL BE LEGALY SEEN
FROM TIKABOO PEAK,WHICH IS 25 MILES FROM THE BASE, AND FROM FREEDOM RIDGE.
IF THE GUARDS CATCH YOU INSIDE BASE AS CIVILIAN PERSON YOU CAN BE LEGALY
KILLED. THERE IS ONE INTERESTING DETAIL ABOUT AREA 51 WHO IS CONECTED WITH
MAKING OF INDENPENDENCE DAY. DEAN DEVLIN, THE MOVIE PRODUCER, RECALLS:
-WHENEVER YOU TRY TO DO A FILM THAT INVOLVES THE MILITARY, YOU TRY TO GET ITS
SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS PORTRAYED IN A FOVOURABLE LIGHT, AS IT IS IN OUR
MOVIE. THIS GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THEIR BASES AND PLANES. SO WE APROCHAED THE
MILITARY EARLY ON...THEY SAID - GREAT, WE LOVE IT. WE ARE ALL SET TO JOIN YOU,
BUT THERE IS ONE LITTLE THING. CAN YOU REMOVE ANY REFERENCE TO AREA 51?
SINCE THE FINAL ACT OF THE FILM TAKES PLACE MAINLY AT AREA 51, AND REVOLVES
AROUND THE ALIEN SHIP FROM THE 1947 ROSWELL CRASH, THIS WOULD HAVE CAUSED A FEW
PROBLEMS, SO ULTIMATELY ID4 WAS MADE WITH NO MILITARY HELP WHATSOEVER.
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OK MY FRIEND THAT IS ALL FROM NOW. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SOME MORE DETAILS
CONTACT ME AND I WILL SEND YOU SOME MORE MATERIALS /THROW POST IF YOU WANT IT/.
IF YOU HAVE ALSO SAME NEWS LEAVE A MESSAGE.
BY THE WAY, I NEED ONE INFORMATIONS. ABOUT 6 OF JANUARY / I AM NOT SURE. I MUST
CHECK MY LOG/ THERE WAS THE UFO REPORT ABOVE ROME - GREEN LIGHT. LATER IT WAS
SAID THAT IT WAS A METEORIC FRAGMENT. IS THERE ANY NEW INFORMATIONS ABOUT THAT?
73 AND GOOD LUCK FROM JIMMY IN ZADAR 9A1CCN/9A4AG!
To : UFO @ WW
Hi there!
Here's a text showing what the well-known astrologer Nostradamus (Michel de
Notre-Dame) tells us about extraterrestrian beings and ufos in his prophecies.
Text follows:
Alien probe of the Watchers discovered by scientists
===
I p262 (cIV-28)
During the time of troubles, when the sun is between the earth and
Venus, i.e. from the point of view of Earth Venus is hidden by the
sun, the Watchers (aliens) will be exposed through the powers of
observation and communication. Scientists involved with
radiotelescopy and related disciplines will observe an anomaly, and
as they focus on it they come to the realization that it is a strong
indication of a real UFO. The readings are caused by an instrument
sent by the Watchers to observe mankind.
The scientists and the populace will learn more about the probe and
the Watchers. But internal dissension will be created by
fundamentalists because the existence of aliens is not consistent
with their worldview. This will take place in approximately 1997 or
1998. The Watchers are returning to mankind at this time because they
are trying to help him through gentle prodding and increasing
spiritual love. They have always kept an eye on us and have observed
our growth and development. They're looking forward to the day we can
join the universal community and help with their project in a way
that's unique to us.
If someone is interested in more about Nostradamus and the "Time of Troubles"
that might be very near (1997/98), please send me a mail. You'll surely get more
information for I regard it as very important that everybody gets the knowledge
about Nostradamus and his capability to predict many events
Info: Nostradamus lived in the 16th century (1503-66).
VY 73 de ALeksander = Op/DG1SGB
 
To : UFO@WW
 
Because of the great interest of my ROSWELL UFO CRASH serial, i have decided
to repeat those messages. The main reason for that is also based on some
raports that part 1, 2, 3 and 4 havent been received in whole world. So once
again this is the ROSWELL UFO CRASH PART 1 - ENGLISH VERSION:
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INTERGALACTIC GREETING TO WHOLE PLANET EARTH!
In last few years you are probable asking your self what is going on out
there. Is it the truth or is it the lie? When you turn your head in every
direction, all what you can hear is ROSWELL, AREA 51, GREYS, EXTRATERRESTRIALS
etc. What is the reason for this? Is it the INDENPENDENCE DAY / THE BIGEST BOX
OFICCE MOVIE IN 1996. / or is it THE X FILES?
Well now, listen up!
I will try to explain for all you out there, why are you bombarded with this
kind of informations. The main reason for this is not the INDENPENDENCE DAY
and THE X FILES, and it is not the case of accidental event!!!
The general reason for that is Roswell crash incident who took place at
2. of july 1947. in New Mexico. Thanks to the Freedom of information act, in
july 1947., 50 years after the Roswell case, US goverment must present all
informations who were directly conected with the cover up of the Roswell
case at National archives.
For all the people who were heard about Roswell, but they dont have a clear
picture about it or they are not sure what is that incident means, i will
try to explain the short chronicles of Roswell case, so in that way you
could be prepared for july / what ever the epilogue might be /. So now
remember, read and listen up!!!
WARNING:
THE FOLLOWING INFORMATIONS ARE NOT THE OFFICIAL FACT AND YOU CANT FIND THEM
AT NATIONAL ARCHIVES. THOSE INFORMATIONS COMES FROM UFOLOGY SPECULATIONS AND
FROM GREAT NUMBER OF WITNESS / CIVILIAN AND MILITARY / WHO WERE INVOLVED
IN TO THE ROSWELL CASE...
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ROSWELL UFO CRASH INCIDENT:
On the night of 2nd july 1947, Mac Brazel, a rancher from near Corona. New
Mexico heard a loud crash. The next day he went out Horseback riding with
a neighbour and came upon a field with debris scattered about. The debris
field was 3/4 of a mile long and 300 feet wide. It was oriented in a
northwest to southeast direction. There was a gouge in the northwest side
of the debris field that was 500 feet long and 10 feet wide. The debris
on the field mostly consisted of parchment like paper thin pieces of metal
material. The material was very light in weight, a dull gray in color, and
most pieces were 6 to 7 inches in lenght. Some pieces that were even
thinner than paper COULD NOT BE BROKEN IN HALF, CUT OR BURNT.
 
Mac Brazel colected several pieces of the debris and went back to his ranch.
On july 6, Brazel went into Roswell to report what he had seen and to show
a piece of the debris to sheriff Wilcox. The sheriff decided to call the
local air base. During this time Frank Joyce called in from the local
radio station to see if anything newsworthy was happening around town.
Brazel gave him the information about what he had found
Major Jess A. Marcel and a few other military personal arrived from the
base only a few minutes after the sheriff had finished talking to the
people at the base. Brazel and the military personal left and went back to
the ranch. The next morning at July 7 they went to the crash sight.
The military retrieved some of the debris and returned to Roswell.
On july 8, the military came back and sealed off the area. They took
Brazel into custody. That same day they found a second crash site.
Barney Barnett and 4 archaeologist had stumbled onto the new site a few
minutes before the military had arrived there. At the site they found
a pretty good sized metallic dull gray object and 4 small alien bodies.
They were 4 to 5 feet tall, with large pear shaped heads, small bodies
and skinny arms and legs. They had two large eyes and no hair.
Their skin was pinkish grey and leathery /GREYS - RETICULLY/.
They were wearing a one piece grey suits. The civilians were escorted out
of the area when the military arrived.
On july 9th the military escorted Brazel to the radio station, and there he
told Frank Joyce that he saw a weather balloon. He laft again with the
military and didnt get back to his ranch until around July 15. Later when
asked about what had happened Brazel said he had given a oath and could
NOT TALK ABOUT IT.
The incident remained closed and the public have at large accepted the
weather balloon story until 1970 when Jesse A. Marcel broke the silence and
told his part in the story.
The case has been extensively researched by Stanton Friedman and independantly
by the team of Kevin Randle and Donald Schmitt /BASED ON THEIR BOOK THE UFO
CRASH AT ROSWELL, MOVIE ROSWELL HAS MADE. YOU MAY FIND THIS FILM AT YOUR
LOCAL VIDEO DELAER/. They have discovered around 200 witnesses who claim
to have been involved in the recovery or subsequent handling of the
Roswell material.
In 1994 at the request of US Congresman Steven Schiff, the General acount
office started an enquiy into the incident and subsequent cover up. The GAO
required the US AIR FORCE to reopen the enquiry. After a nine month study
the AIR FORCE announced that the Roswell object had not been a weather
balloon but a balloon involved in a top secret project to study Soviet
nussile launches. MANY UFO INVESTIGATORS TO THIS DAY REMAIN UNCONVINCED
BY THIS EXPLANATION AND THE ROSWELL UFO CRASH STAYS AS THE BASIS OF THE
MODERN UFOLOGY!!!
YOU HAVE SEEN IN THOSE ROSWELL PARTS 1-7 THE MAIN PARAGRAPHS OF THE
ROSWELL CASE. There are also some controversial details about Roswell case,
but those dea
but those details i have left out until i have their conformation.
Those informations are very actual today and we all wait what will happen
at july, august and september. In the USA the presuare under the govement
agencies are very big. But the main problem in ufology stays. If the
intelligence community reopen the whole case tha main question stays:
-OK dear agents! But what has happen later. What has happen then with your
program of investigation of UFO and your program /MAJESTIC 12/ of making the
contact with EXTRATERRESTRIALS. This could be the main reason that cover up
could stay just a cover up in the future. Will see what the epilogue will be.
OK. That was the main paragraphs of Roswell, and all the new informations all
will present you in next messages. Please give me the comment about all this
and if you are conected with ufology informations or UFO investigations
please let me know and leave the message. If you also have the new informatins
about new UFO sightings around the world, also let me know.
My call sign is 9a1ccn. Leave the message for Jimmy /9a4ag/ in Zadar and
AGETI /ANALYTICAL GROUP FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL INFORMATIONS /.
73 and may the force be with you!!!
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THE END OF THE REPEAT OF THE ROSWELL UFO CRASH SERIAL PART 1-7
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To : ALIEN@WW
IT IS IMAGINATION THAT SENT A MAN TO THE MOON. IT IS IMAGINATION THAT LETS
YOU CROSS A ROAD, A RIVER, AN OCEAN, A CONTINENT OR SPACE. WITHOUT IT WE
ARE LOST.
SO WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE THAT WE HAVE BEEN VISITED FROM ANOTHER
PLANET? LOOK AT THE VIDEO "CHARIOTS OF THE GODS" AND, IF YOU HAVE THE LEAST
BIT OF IMAGINATION YOU CAN WELL SEE THAT WE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE ALONE IN THE
UNIVERSE AS INTELLIGENT BEINGS.
EXACTLY WHAT LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE WE ARE IS ANOTHER THING. LOOKING AT THE
WAY THINGS GO ON IN THE WORLD I WOULD SAY WE ARE OF THE LOWEST INTELLIGENCE
FORM POSSIBLE. IT MAY BE THAT OUR SPECTATORS FROM OUTER SPACE PREFER TO
OBSERVE US INSTEAD OF CONTACTING US BECAUSE OF OUR WARLIKE NATURE. I JUST
HOPE THAT THEY RELEASE A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND TELL US THE TRUTH. I FOR
ONE AM READY FOR IT.
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT THAT THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BRING MANKIND TOGETHER
AND STOP THE HATRED AND KILLING WOULD BE IF WE WERE THREATENED BY SOME GREEN
MONSTER FROM MARS?
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS TOPIC I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.
GREETINGS FROM IKE-MAN..>
To : ALIENS@WW
IT IS IMAGINATION THAT SENT A MAN TO THE MOON. IT IS IMAGINATION THAT LETS
YOU CROSS A ROAD, A RIVER, AN OCEAN, A CONTINENT OR SPACE. WITHOUT IT WE
ARE LOST.
SO WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE THAT WE HAVE BEEN VISITED FROM ANOTHER
PLANET? LOOK AT THE VIDEO "CHARIOTS OF THE GODS" AND, IF YOU HAVE THE LEAST
BIT OF IMAGINATION YOU CAN WELL SEE THAT WE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE ALONE IN THE
UNIVERSE AS INTELLIGENT BEINGS.
EXACTLY WHAT LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE WE ARE IS ANOTHER THING. LOOKING AT THE
WAY THINGS GO ON IN THE WORLD I WOULD SAY WE ARE OF THE LOWEST INTELLIGENCE
FORM POSSIBLE. IT MAY BE THAT OUR SPECTATORS FROM OUTER SPACE PREFER TO
OBSERVE US INSTEAD OF CONTACTING US BECAUSE OF OUR WARLIKE NATURE. I JUST
HOPE THAT THEY RELEASE A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND TELL US THE TRUTH. I FOR
ONE AM READY FOR IT.
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT THAT THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BRING MANKIND TOGETHER
AND STOP ATRED AND KILLING WOULD BE IF WE WERE THREATENED BY SOME GREEN
MONSTER FROM MARS?
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS TOPIC I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.
GREETINGS FROM IKE-MAN..>
There has been alot of media hype today about captured aliens after a local
TV station broadcast a doccumentary about a crashed flying disc which came
down in Roswell New Mexico in 1947. Did this really happen!,can anyone shed
any light on this subject ? If so,why has it been kept a secret for so
long.I have heard of this thing happening before.Why the big secret ? Are
we being visited by people from other planets ? Why not we are trying to go
to other planets even if they are just probes. There has been alot of
strange things that have been seen in the skies around here and locally in
magazines and on TV there are people admitting that they have been examined
by aliens from zeta reticulai constellations and who known where. I would
like to here peoples comments and experiences about this subject. I look
forward to your replies. TERRY VK3AG. @ VK3BVP
I have been in contact with the jodrell bank radio telescope in cheshire and
spoke to a astronomer who told me this object is a comet,and is being monitored
by radio/optical telescopes all around the world.she called it a comet.when
asked about the three mid-course corrections that it has made she said oh
coments do this all the time?
so there you are this object DOES exist.only my infomation differs from what
jodrell bank told me?
time WILL prove me wrong.
G1HAW STEVE @ GB7ODM GBR.EU
Can anyone confrim a report re a object that was picked up by NASA in 1987 it
was first discovered by voyager and later confrimed by optical/radio telescope
the object is very large over a thousand miles or more,this object has been
under constant observation by the hubble telescope(didn't NASA say it was
broken?)mmm!
a report was in the sunday times newspaper three weeks ago.
also a ham in the uk told me radio signals have been traced comeing from this
thing? he even asked me if I knew the frequencies! so someone somewhere must
know something?what say!
any info anyone may have is welcome.
de steve G1HAW @ GB7ODM GBR.EU
Greeting!
John here. The term "unidentified flying object" itself covers a very broad
canvas. Any object seen in the sky is initially unidentified. Only once some
sort of recognition occurs does the sighting change categories.
In the early fifties, I was so entranced by the mathematical possibilities
that I would obtain and read anything available on the subject. I think I
still have one of Major Donald Keyhoe's books somewhere. He was a founder of
NICAP, the National Investigative Committee on Aerial Phenomena. Now I read
the packets and the occasional story dealing with the SETI project in trade
magazines (I am an electronics engineer with some background in
large_area_coverage radar equipment) with the same avid interest.
The speed of light is difficult to get around as we understand physics today.
The distances involved are truly tremendous, requiring one to look for ways to
avoid the lightspeed barrier. It has occurred to me that there are at least
two other possibilities of at least similar difficulty for our science.
Alternate possibility #1: The UFOs are Terrestrial in origin but from a
different time. You choose whether the future or the very distant past.
Alternate possibility #2: The UFOs are alien in origin but from an
alternate universe. That would require assumption that doorways to parallel
universes exist.
Either choice requires technology beyond our own. Time travel and multiple
parallel universes have been addressed in fictional storytelling and, to some
degree, in mathematics.
Think about it.
 
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*****
***UFO***
****REPORTS****
*****LATEST NEWS*****
* Edition 5 *
~~~~~~~~~~~
* Sunday 7th April 1996 *
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* * HAPPY EASTER * *
****************
Hi all, in this months UFO news, we have an article that was sent to me via
packet, unfortunately he wouldn't let me give his details out. We also have
an update on the Chichester UFO as seen in edition 4.
UFO NEWS
~~~~~~~~~~
I am an electronics technician in the RAF, whilst serving at a certain Radar
station in NE Scotland a few years back, being interested in the realm of
UFOs decided to enquire amongst the odd radar operator (who better to ask
than a fresh young scope dope!!). Now the site is part of the UK air defence
chain and if any UFOs are about then these sites are going to see them (??)
possibly on track, well one chap I spoke to said that a few months back he
had tracked an object moving at around mach 7, no identification came up on
the plot,it was travelling approx in a SW direction coming in from the North
Sea, it crossed over the land and headed in the same bearing then veered
sharply NW. Now the turn was extremely tight...he said almost like a right
angle...
Not much to go on but the interesting points are:
a) What do you know of that travels at around mach 7?
b) Can turn tightly, almost on a 10 pence piece at these speeds
(figuratively speaking)?
c) The fact that no IFF was received meant 4 possible reasons,
1 It was an enemy a/c intruding our airspace.
2 The a/cs IFF was U/S.
3 It was a secret mission and didn't want to be identified.
4 It was a genuine UFO.
Lets examine the possibilities....if it was an enemy a/c then why didn't the
operators scramble interceptors? If the IFF was U/S surely some form of comms
must have been working, But then again a total comms failure is possible. If
it was a secret mission then the operator would know to ignore the plot, and
he wouldn't have told me! Draw your own conclusions..
One final thing to mention, sorry two....the first fly in the ointment, is
that it was known that the Stealth bomber often flies around the North Sea
area, but can it fly that fast? The last thing I would like to add is that I
can confirm that the military DO take a very keen note of UFO phenomenon as
there is a place in Wiltshire that has its own investigation bureau for the
said subject, in fact a lot of people working at this site on other jobs often
joke about the 'UFO Hanger'.....food for thought....but then I might have
said too much already, sorry cant be too specific, I'll get in the trouble if
I am not careful!!!
73's...
Thanks go to the originator of that article.
 
UFO UPDATE
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Last edition was about the UFO's seen over Chichester, well further reports
on the UFO from the local press said that the objects were in fact foil-type
helium balloons reflecting in the sunshine said another witness.
NEXT MONTH
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Next month in edition 6 we have a article from a station near slovakia, with
an interesting report from his town. Also any major UFO news stories that hit
the headlines will of course be on here. Edition 6 out on Sunday 5th May 96.
73'S
~~~~~~
Thanks once again for the support and your feedback from edition 4. Any
reports/news/veiws/information on the subject can be sent to me via Packet.
If you send me a msg please say at the top if you want it encluded in the
Monthly News letter. I will be interested to hear from you, please remember
I am doing my GCSE's so I am sorry if reply's take along time.
73's **Happy Easter**
Phil 2E
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***UFO***
****REPORTS**** *
* *****LATEST NEWS*****
* Edition 6 * *
* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * *
*
* Sunday 5th May 1996
* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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INTRODUCTION
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi there. As promised the UFO report from Slovakia region. Also news of a
UFO Abduction from my very own home QTH Selsey.
I hope this months newsletter is of some interest to you.
*REPORTING FROM SLOVAKIA*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report from Kuba a Ham radio operator in Nowy Sacz which is 80Km south-east
of Cracow and 30Km north of Slovakia. There was a UFO incident in Nowy Sacz,
special radio broadcast informed the community and surrounding area's about
it.
On the 26th of February 1996 at aprox 7PM lots of people in the area saw
strange lights in the sky, the lights moved very slowly. No one could
explain the sighting, The airport near by said there were no aircraft in the
area at that time.
Source of information from Ham Radio operator, I will not give his callsign
out.
*UFO ABDUCTION IN SELSEY*
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What I'm about to tell you happened 18 months ago. A Selsey man decided to go
down to Bill point were there is a nice table to sit at while looking out to
sea. He got on his bike and cycled down to the beach. It was 11.30 at night
he often came down at this time to sit and listen to the sea. It wasn't long
afterwards when he felt movement at the back of the table, two humanoids
inÛsilver came towards him, then suddenly a force made
him rise into the air.
He thinks he was at something like 1,500 feet when they came to there
spacecraft, it was black and he couldn't see the shape of it.
He was placed on a bed, but he was not frightened at this experience and fell
to asleep very quickly. He woke up a few times seeing feet above him, but
soon fell a sleep again. The next thing he new he was sitting at the table
back on the beach except it was daylight and about 4 PM. His bike was still
by the side of him, he cycled home confused and thinking about what happened
to him. He got to his house with is wife frantic and accusing him of having
an affair, he had been gone almost 2 days. His now ex-wife eventually
believed him, and so he contacted the British UFO Research Association
(BUFORA), he told them what had happened to him, so they could put it in
there Databank.
*I am currently trying to trace the Selsey man so I can interveiw him
and get even more details of his abduction.
Next Month
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* Any UFO reports from your selves will be put into the next edition.
* Also any major UFO News that our media reports on will be included.
It's a strange world anything could happen in the realms of UFO activity.
73's
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Thanks for the reply's from UFO News 5, although it was put out a few days
early I hope you recieved it.
Keep sending your Reports/UFO information/Views, to me.
* For those of you into Landline BBS's, UFO News is now put out onto the
Landline Network in the X-files section, courtesy of Adam Finzel.
You may E-Mail me through Adam by typing:
Adam.Paul.Finzel@Metricom.Seuk.Com
* Or you may Packet Radio E-mail me direct:
2e1dtd@Gb7iow
UFO News can be seen by setting LC to UFO and is transmitted to EU -Europe.
* UFO Newsletter 7 will be out Sunday 2nd June 1996.*
UFO Newsletter is a non-profit makeing newsletter writen by myself to give
you an interesting insight into the UFO phenomina today.
73's Phil (Editor),
2e1dtd
West Sussex, England.
To : UFO@EU
The nonprofit, membership-supported SETI League Inc kicks off its
long-awaited Project Argus survey of the heavens on Earth Day, April 21,
1996. Project Argus is a survey of microwave signals of possible
intelligent, extraterrestrial origin. A special event station using the
callsign of SETI League President Richard Factor, WA2IKL (I keep listening),
will operate on 20-meter SSB starting at 1600 UTC. SETI League Executive
Director H. Paul Shuch, N6TX, describes Project Argus as "perhaps the most
ambitious radio astronomy project ever undertaken without government
equipment or funding." The effort will deploy and coordinate some 5000
small radiotelescopes around the world in an all-sky survey for microwave
signals that could suggest intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.
For more information, call 800-828-7384 (800-TAU-SETI).
from the ARRL Letter 05 April 1996
+++
My UFO database grows (mostly from CLIVE) and USA sources, which now
contains some 300 files. Should you wish to contribute information
then please send to G4KCS@GB7NXL - 73 ROB
To : X-FILE@ITA
Sembra strano parlare di UFO...
...ma questa sigla in realt... non È che sia
una cosa così fuori dal normale, la sigla viene utilizzata dagli
aereonautici, (Unidentified Flying Object), e stà a significare "oggetto
volante non identificato".
Partendo da questo presupposto, a Sacco (località di Cosio Valtellino
Prov. Sondrio, regione Lombardia) un paio di anni fa È stato avvistato un
"UFO". Dalle informazioni che ho avuto io dai paesani,(soprattutto da due
che erano su un prato una mattina che stavano andando a "governare" le
vacche), secondo loro questo oggetto era come una palla di fuoco che stava
sospesa da terra, loro si trovavano ad un centinaio di metri da questo
oggetto e l'hanno visto scomparire molto velocemente. A conferma di questo
fatto personalmente in quesi giorni che era accaduto il fatto, nel parlare
con un mio amico abitante in un'altro paese, mi ha raccontato di aver visto
una mattina, un bagliore provenire dalle zone di Sacco; il fatto
interessante È che i due di Sacco ed il mio amico non si conoscevano ma
tutti e tre affermavano di aver visto "qualcosa" quella precisa mattina.
Voi direte:"Il paese È piccolo la gente mormora...!", può anche darsi, io
come voi sono scettico perchÈ non ho potuto costatare con i miei occhi, ma
colgo questa occasione per sapere da voi se evete avuto delle esperienze
di visione di "UFO" nella vostra vita, ma non cose come quelle scritte sul
Visto!!!!!
To : UFO@EU
UFO NEAR MISS
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6th January 1995
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A British Airways 737 en-route from Milan, Italy to Manchester. The
two Captains flying the 737 ducked down in the cockpit as the UFO which was
described as triangular, appeared only a few yards in front of them. The 737
and UFO were bothat 13,
The 737 managed to touch down on runway 17 minutes later, with the
rest of the passengers all 60 of them, totally unaware of the incident the
pilots had gone through.
Any more information would be greatfully recieved, send it to LC UFO so
others can RX it. Also Lets see if we can get some reports of UFO's onto the
LC UFO pages, to let others in Great Britain or even the world know what
activity ishappening in
"The Truth is out there"
Happy New Year for 1996, and lets hope it brings more UFO sightings.
73's Phil (2e1dtd)
*****
***UFO***
****REPORTS****
*****LATEST NEWS*****
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Edition 3
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Sunday 11th February 1996
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Hi all, I have an update from a previous msg I sent out asking about the
Manchester UFO sighted by BA pilots on a Boeing 737.
 
UPDATE
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This hit the headlines on all TV News and Radio in Britain on Friday 2nd
February 1996.
A British Airways Boeing 737 en-route from Milan was just getting ready to
land at Manchester Airport, when a UFO started to head towards them. Both
pilots were shocked but managed to land the plane safely a few mins later.
All passengers on Boeing 737 were unaware of the incident.
According to eye-witnesses on the ground the shape of the UFO is triangular
and has apparently been seen in the northern skies for quite some time.
Findings of a year long investigation from the Joint Air Miss Working Group
revealed this statement "There is no doubt that the pilots both saw an object.
Unfortunately, the nature and identity of this object remain unknown, to
speculate about extraterrestrial activity is not with in the group's remit."
British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) director of Investigations Philip
Mantell gave this statement "The report is remarkably open-minded, it is a
milestone in official recognition of the phenomenon of UFOs...... We have
always contended that there is something out there which is beyond accepted
science and now this is being reflected in the corridors of officialdom."
My view: What I would like to know is, the Joint Air Miss Working Group have
already said the identity of the object is unknown. Then why don't they call
it an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) because that's what the statement that
they gave means.
Information gathered from, TV/Radio broadcast through out that day.
FINAL NOTE
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Thanks to all the stations that gave me support and encouragement this last
two weeks. Unfortunatly due to my last year at school, I am going to have to
make this Newsletter monthly. I never thought so many people would be
interested in this subject.
Any enquires/reports/latest news please send
them to me via Packet.
4th edition out on Sunday 3rd March 1996
73's Phil.
2E1DTD@GB7IOW.#48.GBR.EU


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