AN ANCIENT ALIEN SPACECRAFT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOON
AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON:
INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE,
MEMBER OF THE APOLLO 20 CREW
to William Rutledge in August 1976 there was a classified space mission: the “Apollo
Italian journalist and freelancer
Interview with William Rutledge, an “Apollo
Interview carried out by my YouTube Account /General Messages
UPDATE: I decided it is better avoiding to name the people who work for NASA now and mentioned by W. Rutledge in the answer nr.24, because it is necessary, in spite of his amazing video footages and his detailed report, waiting for further evidences about this amazing story, which is showing some contradictory aspects. As fact, in spite of their names are true and in public domain as Governmental employees, so far they are not known as historical leading characters, and there is no proof of a previous contact with W. Rutledge - But the things could change...Let's see what happens.
L.S. -June 30, 2007
A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, “were declassified in September 1992” (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?
William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the “deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission. His user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew.
Frames from the beginning of the controversial “Apollo 20 footage”
The last official space mission to the Moon with crew was the Apollo 17 (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970. But the presumed footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which came out in the last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (available on YouTube as the so-called preflight study for Apollo 20). And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020, AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250). According to the YouTube file-card on William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots, “Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year earlier).”
Presumed photo taken by Apollo 20 (1976?) Official NASA photo (detail of AS15-P-9630), Apollo 15 (1971)
There are a few inconsistencies in William Rutledge’s memories that you can find in reading this interview. It could be comprehensible if you think about an old man (76 years old) who is trying to recall historical facts and events of his life. So, I am not astonished if Rutledge, for instance in talking about the former Russian President Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and troops during the assault to the Parliament building, recalled the years 1995 or 1994 when the exact year of the small civil war was 1993 ([…] “I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament” by W. Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview). I verified it later on an encyclopaedia, but I could not answer before to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at the beginning of the ‘90s.
On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a knowledge of Geology, Chemistry and of space exploration history, using specific terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term: the “feldspathoid”, a “ mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar” (Webster’s Third New International Dictionary”, Könemann, 1993,pag. 835).
So, I have good grounds for believing William Rutledge’s testimony: first of all there really is (was?) a strange and big object on the far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission. The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak. I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on the backside of the Moon.
UPDATE: ALIEN SPACESHIP'S COORDINATES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOON
I've done a mistake in providing the Moon region coordinates of the cigar-shaped object: according to the dialogues between the Apollo 20 crew from the LM-15 and the Vandenberg AFB, the exact coordinates of the presumed alien spaceship on the backside of the Moon are the following: Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E ; Cockpit: 17.25 deg S, 117.62 deg E; see the subtitles of the "ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20", video footage posted on YouTube on May 4, 2007, by William Rutledge (user name: retiredafb).
L. Scantamburlo, June 14, 2007
The official NASA photos are available on the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a “research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community”: the links to find the pictures (the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas) are the following: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630
Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by William Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic picture?).
AS15-P-9625, Apollo Image Atlas – Courtesy NASA/LPI
AS15-P-9630, Apollo Image Atlas – Courtesy NASA/LPI
A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them.
The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the ‘70s and the first ‘80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D. His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following:
“[…] i punti luce sovraesposti e la relativa 'scia' presentano tutte le caratteristiche dei difetti delle telecamere basate su tubo di tipo VIDICON. La 'scia' consiste in una persistenza del segnale video all'interno del tubo. […] Nonostante quest'ultimo sia un sistema di ripresa televisivo obsoleto, oggi la ditta Hamamatsu (www.hamamatsu.com) realizza telecamere VIDICON all'infrarosso.
In English it means:
“[…] the overexposed light points and the
relative trail show all the features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type
tube. The ‘trail’ is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside the
tube. […] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system,
And, as a matter of fact, among the several different varieties of photographic equipment aboard the Apollo 17, there was a Westinghouse color TV camera, which could used in the command module, handheld or bracket-mounted. It is almost obvious thinking to a similar camera equipment for the presumed Apollo 20, taken place in 1976 according to William Rutledge. (source: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo17/A17_Photography_cameras.html.)
The Space Shuttle
Launch Sites and the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in
In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.
ZOOM-AS15-P-9625.jpg – NASA, Apollo 15
Analysis using the Gimp Software- by L. Scantamburlo
FOREWORD FOR THE READERS
In the following interview granted by William Rutledge who lives now in Africa, I have corrected (where I could) the orthographical mistakes that there were in the answers (e.g. I put the right capital letters and the right apostrophes), but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by William Rutledge. Where I was not able to understand his words, I put some dots between square brackets.
W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some problems to the his articulations; moreover, William explained to me that he’s always nervous when he writes. That’s why on YouTube you can find some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb) posted with the footages. Anyway, here you are some words written by him for the foreword to the following interview:
“I don’t use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I write quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I’m busy writing the next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is used, but that’s a detail…”
1) L.S. First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed “Apollo 20” space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons.
What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes… Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote “maicroscope” instead of “microscope”)? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land…
not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you
cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That’s my name, William
Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one.
Born in 1930 in
2) L.S. How long have you been living in
's a woman who brought me to
3) L.S. Can you tell me anything about your life? Where are you from? Where did you study ?
written on this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought, just consider that USAF uses every person who can
bring skills, white, black, woman, every citizen. It was different with NASA,
all astronauts were
4) L.S. How did you become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the ‘70s?
didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign technology,
RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project,
5) L.S. Can you prove who you are with some photos or
documents of yours, taken during the training by NASA or even before, during
your work at the
W.R. Yes, I will put them online, but I will focus on Leonov, to end hoax controversy.
6) L.S. When and above all why did you decide to disclose these information about classified space missions and is there anybody who is protecting you?
It's the announcement of "the wonder of it all" maybe, and 2012 is
coming fast. I also think that UFOs will appear more often starting from
September 2007. A lot of people died around me in
7) L.S. After the “Apollo 20” mission, taken place in
August 1976 according to the information you have provided, what did you do and
when did you leave the
W.R. After Apollo 20, several things happened, I was not aware of how the material collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle was a bad idea, I’ve worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.
8) L.S. In your writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the members of the “Apollo 20” crew: among them there is the former Soviet cosmonaut, Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does he know what you are doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before April 2007 and if the answer is no, aren’t you afraid about what he could do or tell?
Leonov is not aware of all this , I cannot contact
him, contacts were completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in 1995 or
1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I
9) L.S. A question about the dialogues subtitles on the “spaceship footage”: did you make them or did somebody else make them? There are some mistakes (e.g., the personal pronoun is “I”, with the capital letter, not “i” as there is written). What about the original dialogues? Were there in the footage? Did you have problems with the codecs during the transfer?
Yes, plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before transfer, I have to
work with the distance, I'll be back in
10) L.S. There are in the dialogues between the
astronauts and the
W.R. CSM is Command Service Module, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer, same that DSKY, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telescope ( […] on the LM).
In some videos, the first image you see is the DSKY panel with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what the DSKY has to do and show. Before filming I had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since lift-off, then noun 65 for displaying on there rows, hours on the first line minutes on the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then in every movie we put the date on the beginning of the shot, MET, Mission Elapsed Time, hours since lift-off. In the flyover movie, the computer indicates 144 hours if I remember.
Capcom (CC) is the function of the unique officer charged of transmission to astronauts. He gathers all information and transmit them to the astronauts, news from the ground, instructions for the corrections, wake up calls, three persons relay.
The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling Vandenberg next "twenty" a call from twenty. Inverted when starting from Earth: Capcom- Twenty or sometimes EEcom- Twenty Guido - Twenty when we had a special work to do, docking, correction. When undocking was made the communications were different. Vandenberg Constellation (name of the Apollo spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM). The Apollo 19 Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar Module name.
11) L.S. I would like to know something more about the preparation of the “Apollo 20” mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket was launched and how many people were involved in that classified mission. Can you do some names?
W.R. 300 people were involved on the preparation, but more other witnesses in Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More witnesses, yes, many people saw departures in the sky, cameras were forbidden all around the Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space spotters film every launch of Delta rockets, from towns. Other people saw this launch but not knowing it was a Saturn 5. One internaut viewing the launch video says this launch is a Saturn 1B. If today, with all available information, somebody makes such a mistake, you can image how it was in 1976. The preparation was long, subject of cancellations, new starts. Russians had the first information since 1966, I don't know what was their source.
12) L.S. Can you tell me anything about the Russian collaboration to “Apollo 20”?
James Chipman Fletcher for
13) L.S. Tell me something about the “Apollo 18” and the “Apollo 19” missions; specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a classified mission with the same goal of the “Apollo 20”? Tell me about your ex girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, “first American woman in Space” according to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The official space history does not include her as astronaut…
W.R. Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands " mission in 1975. Apollo 19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long duration flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a security disk had to burst if pressure was going high, but motor was unusable after. So it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not tested in Space before. It was ok, but… in the paper. However, we got no problem with it. It was a long mission, 7 days scheduled on the Moon, every ray of light was used till ascent.
Apollo 19 had a
loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data. Now the truth is
unknown but it seems that it was a natural phenomenon, a collision with a
"quasi-satellite ", like Cruithne, or a
meteor (the probability is higher I think). The goal was the same, the landing
site was the same, the exploration program was different, they had a big job to
do with the rover, exploring the roof of the ship by climbing on the "
Stephanie Ellis was
collaborations; I don't know how, but Russian were informed of the presence of
a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July 1969 crashed just at the South of the
nose of the ship. It was a probe similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter.
They provided maps, precise charts of this area. The center
of decision was located in the Ural, in the town of
I could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress us. For example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the first time, my feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on the floor, not dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this "the Russian way", quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.
14) L.S. Is there anybody in
About security, no
problem as far I live in
I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with original dust.
15) L.S. What did you know about the unofficial Warwick Research Institute Report on the “Public Acclimation Program”, released in 1992 to the MUFON?
W.R. I have no knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year for me, I was disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?
Frames from the “Apollo 20 flyover” on a presumed alien spaceship, on the backside of the Moon
16) L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient “alien spaceship” and “the City” on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?
W.R. We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.
17) L.S. Did you visit “the City” on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are “the City” and “the Ship” still there?
W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact(we named it the Cathedral). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater.
18) L.S. What about the “Mona Lisa EBE”? [the correct Italian name is “Monna Lisa”] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?
W.R. Mona Lisa – I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That’s another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after.
19) L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?
W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of
years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the
original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on the ship
validated the age, also little white impacts on the
20-21 L.S. Can you give me the technical details for every material you disclosed on YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the tv transmissions from the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during the flyovers? I would need to know the details of shooting for every video you spread on the Web. What is the meaning of the strange numbers visibile on the videos, which sometimes slowly stream over the frames, in the flyover of the Moon?
W.R. I have answered so much time on this,
especially to a ESA astronaut. The transfer was in made in
We used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover, called GTCA, it is not the name of a company (a commenter made a mistake on this) but a Westinghouse color camera. All three color cameras has a color wheel who produced a time frame delay when transmitting to the earth. I think it could be possible for a company to restore a good TV picture. The CSM camera had a black and white monitor, and produced stable pictures, sharp because focusig was visible on the monitor. The LM camera had a glass visor. The CSM camera was used one time on the AGC Visor, using the coordinates I've transmitted during the flyover video. The Flyover video was made in zero gravity. I was located on the left window, attitude horizontal, legs around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate glass. The cameras had a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large quantity of light, or changing the diaphragms put dropouts during transmission. The markings, numbers are used to perform a good landing. During program 64, when […] in almost in vertical attitude, we had to put the "60" number on the landing site and hold it on the target minutes before landing. These marks are on the both […] windows, you can verify it on a NASA site. Please verify on a genuine NASA site, (I got a flame by somebody who verified on the Apollo 13 movie) the markings had a special angle inclination. If you check it, you'll have an idea of my precise position during this sequence.
22) L.S. How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the mission?
W.R. About the footages […] one day, someone I know told me he was charged to maintain security around a container. A building had to be destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a plasma torch. The nuclear power plant didn’t deliver energy at the right price, so the container was plenty of interest things during some days. As human is naturally curious, people charged of security went inside… My friend took video films, a couple of 16 mm plates, boxes of B/W paper, two enlargers… He contacted me for selling the unsued paper, and that’s how I discovered the other things. I’ve already seen some picture before, 11*16 pictures were violet/blue, old RC photographies, I watched the tapes , it was not a business affair, I put them in security, the only important thing for me were the BW sheets of paper. It was 15 years ago.
23) L.S. Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer who lost his job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC (I suppose alien bodies or alien objects from the Space)?
W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC, but no bodies or alien craft I think.
24) L.S. You mentioned in a former letter Christopher Moellers and McSorley. Who are they?
Moellers is the website officer on Oceans NASA site
[http://oceancolor.gsfc.nasa.gov]; McSorley also.
Annette Moore is 508 Coordinator. I only have mail exchange with
Luca >>> it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to block me if I download unauthorized information. If they explain why they block me, they recognize that the videos can be obtained from them. If I sue them for violation of Statement 508, they will be forced to prove I downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not the case, I never go on a NASA site.
Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for a decision from the headquarters.
Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement:
25-26) L.S. Aren’t you afraid of the
25 W.R. I'm the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or suing me would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or fiction. I'm just afraid they could open a site or another account with my name or putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary errors to disinform. Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me. It's a race.
That's why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good idea, no controversy anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos of this period of Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is unthinkable related to the official version .
26 W.R. I am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as related by Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But I have no indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.
There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always surprised that nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is it necessary to hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this under the carpet? It's question of economics. All currencies on Earth are based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect, carbon free metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in the universe, no more value than a piece of plastic.
That's enough to put down all world currencies. Imagine also that an EBE says: "coffee has a good taste, rare in this galaxy", the only perspective of trading coffee through universe would displace the economic power to countries of the South in one day. You see, not a problem of panic, but simply a problem of economy.
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